Women's Issues

It's her debate tactic. Basically, derail the conversation completely and nobody will either remember or even bother going back to the actual question.

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The point she's trying to make is that when she doesn't know what to do, she just says she'll take on the standards of the other guy?

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Yeah I think the idea is that she'll just opt for having what men get and she will receive it. Basically it's her attempting to deny that women are ever denied things that men receive.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran

So like most things Conway said, it's a load of bullshit.

Disgusted, but not surprised

She's the Chewbacca Defense incarnate.

Isn't "I'll have what he's having" a roundabout way of sayin she wants equal pay between the genders? Isn't that what you want?

Also, explain internalised misogyny.

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We don't know what she means because it's basically a non-sequitur. There are various ways to interpret it, some of them much less flattering than what you suggest.

"Internalized misogyny" is basically just that women absorb all the same negative messages about themselves that men do and this leads them to do stuff like excuse Trump's behavior, disliking Hillary and not voting for her because they don't think a woman should be president, etc.

It's a dangerous thing to accuse someone of having but in Conway's case it's fairly apparent.

Kinda, but the second part is what makes it iffy, the idea that the responce to that is for her to be granted "what he's having".

She's not aging that she wants equal pay, she's saying that as far as she's concerned women already have equal pay.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran

Or the only reason they're not getting equal pay is because they don't ask for it. That feminism is completely placed on a singular person to ask for it, as opposed to the societal limits in place.

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Thats a bit hard as well because from what I understand of Amercia, the place she is adressing.

You can't ask what other people are making for there wages, and you can infact be fired for it.

So asking to make what he is making is just a good way to get your ass booted out the door.

Maybe that's why she's been sidelined from doing TV interviews?

I liked it better when Questionable Casting was called WTH Casting Agency

Conway is a living breathing bullshit factory and should not be given the benefit of the doubt. That ship sailed a while ago.

Disgusted, but not surprised

I realized something about her "I'll have what he's having" quote. It's not as simple as saying that, so no, you can't just have what he has, even if you deserve it for doing the same work. She put it in very reductive terms, and that annoys me a little bit, but it doesn't surprise me.

Or maybe I'm reading into it too much. Probably.

What is the best way to break the glass ceiling?

I liked it better when Questionable Casting was called WTH Casting Agency

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Also, Trump just launched his crusade on planned parenthood to satisfy the religious zealots [1]

Terrific.

"Basically it's her attempting to deny that women are ever denied things that men receive."

I must admit, I'm not exactly sure what things, exactly, women are denied than men recieved.

And the gender wage gap thing: it's never been fully explained to me how it works. What are the societal limits preventing women from getting the same pay as men, beyond "she chose to take on a lower-paying job"?

Promotions for one thing. On average, women tend to get fewer promotions than men. Which is also a factor in the gender wage gap. This is in part because there are still too many people (employers) who think women shouldn't be ambitious.

A lot of studies have been done studying the gender wage gap. It's a very real thing worldwide. Even in this day and age, a lot of women have to work twice as hard to get half as much as men (that's not that much of an exaggeration sadly).

edited 7th Mar '17 6:32:22 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

Bodily autonomy is a big one. I mean, we had a state rep the other week call women "hosts" and say that our bodies don't belong to us. It's denied every time a law is passed that takes away a woman's ability to manage her own body.

Outside of the military for both sexes, I don't see anyone telling men their body isn't theirs.

edited 7th Mar '17 7:03:43 AM by Bur

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More like they feel it. It's likely not a conscious thing for a lot of them. Which makes it all the harder to fight against. Same with seeing women as less competent.

And if there's a man involved whatever they accomplish tends to be attributed to him because of the above biases, resulting in less pay, less notoriety, less growth opportunities... See:the history of women in hard sciences. Their names tend to get left off research papers and their contributions downplayed. Fewer grants, fewer jobs, viewed as less competent.

edited 7th Mar '17 7:23:36 AM by Bur

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And that sort of contributes to the lack of female students entering STEM fields in college, which further exacerbates the problem.

Disgusted, but not surprised

Aren't women entering those programs in record numbers, and outnumber (or will soon outnumber) men there? I mean, I know women outnumber men (60/40 split I'd say) in my Management program. And there are a crapton in the other Graduate level management programs that we share a building with?

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Here's a paper on the subject

tl;dr: the problems begin as early as elementary school.

edited 8th Mar '17 1:13:13 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

Women are entering those fields more, but it's going to take a while to fix the cultural issues. Take the recent Uber story where the company started out with a relatively equal number of men and women, but due to being mistreated almost all of the women left.

Can attest anecdotally. Was years ahead of most of my classmates in math in elementary school, but wasn't allowed to do higher grade work, but the boy who was also ahead in math sure was. That was... stunting. I was so bored I fell behind.

edited 7th Mar '17 8:00:02 AM by Bur

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Ugh, my sympathies.

Disgusted, but not surprised

Yeah, I strongly recall reading that women comprise a little more than half of all college graduates in the US currently.

Although I personally suspect that it mostly has to do with the fact that Western culture doesn't have the same negative stigma attached with raising daughters as many other cultures in the world. A central reason behind East Asian societies' notorious patriarchial attitudes is that women are generally discouraged from seeking higher educations, or in some countries downright restricted by class quotas permitting only to a certain number of female students at a time; China in The '80s had such policies, which were major push factors in getting many relatives of mine to emigrate to the US to get their educations there instead.

edited 7th Mar '17 8:13:45 AM by FluffyMcChicken