Women's Issues

Invasions on moral grounds can work fine, we just have to be wanted and not act like total idiots.

Edit: Inevitable page topper is inevitable.

edited 21st Oct '14 8:31:32 PM by SilasW

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Judge refuses to reschedule court case due to attorney's maternity leave, verbally berates her for bringing month-old infant to courtroom for the hearing. Yes, she came in while on approved maternity leave for the hearing and got chewed out by the judge for it.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

Parental leave isn't any different than sick leave or vacations. The only problem I can see there is that it is possible to get into legal trouble for working on a day you're scheduled for a paid break, but that's not exactly the case here.

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What really hit me about that article is the part where it mentions maternity leave is viewed as a vacation. What? Taking care of a newborn is a full time job and overtime all own it's own.

People are mirrors. If you smile, a smile will be reflected.

From the perspective of an employer it's no different. An employee is unavailable for work.

But I wouldn't compare it to a job anyway. A job is something you do to earn money. You take care of your children because you love them.

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Just because you love your work doesn't mean it ceases to be work.

Article mentioned it was just one crabapple out of the bunch: the other judges granted her request.

Difference lies in motivation. That was my point.

edited 22nd Oct '14 8:47:15 AM by AnotherDuck

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Bluh. Maternity and work.

I am going to deviate a little bit (read: a lot) from the subject of Women's Issues to then get to a point related. Thing is, people think work is life. It is not. Convincing a person to work up past beyond their hours, achieving a multi billion dollar thing of some sort or whatever, or whatever is not going to be a fulfill life achievement you will relate. Success measured to simple monetary game, or sheer power (Yes. Sometimes it is, to some people, all about being able to boss others around...)

What pride is there in bullying if not sadistic glee that will fade when you lose that power? Do you think, for exmaple, Bill Gates feels more proud about having made billions of dollars, or more proud to have been a motor in a revolution of a whole industry and the world as we know it, with the advent of computers?

What would you feel more proud about? Winning the lottery, or earning your spot in history, or the heart of your community and country?

Work is not life. Work is a means to an end. Work dignifies humans and provides them with opportunities. Work is about sharing a common goal, an objective, and to, of course, provide substenance. When it becomes nothing but a burden, then how do you think this is going to affect people in their life? Will they be happy?

So, maternity and family raising is such a humane, common thing to do than to shove it away from work due to a lack of immediatly tangible benefit when considered, is to drive away people from your organization. Money sometimes does not even last a month, but the pride and happiness provided by working on an environment you like, and that achieves something tangible and beneficial, is almost priceless.

Life should not be part of work, work should be a part of life.

Of course, what I am saying is highly philosophical and incredibly fantastic in its conception, as pragmatically trying to put it to work is a whole other thing. But I think my point still stands, at least as an ideal. In a more pragmatical sense, just fucking over people (assuming of course they do their work and they do it well) because of something such as pregnancy possibly mans a lack of consideration of the organization of the "human" level of their personnel and a dependency would preferably not be.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

tldr version, work to live don't live to work.

Trouble is most employers see it the other way around, and most of those cases are not malicious, they're just trying to get the most out of their human resources. Trouble is it creates a toxic culture in its stead, especially (topic tieback w00t!) when it comes to working mothers.

But what do said employers think as people?

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It is not just the "Don't live to work, work to live", it is an added objective to enrich everyone's life around rather than just done to get by. Again, on an ideal level. This is done by accomplishing stuff rather than just done as some obligation.

Problem is most employers seldom think as people. they think as administrators. Hiring a woman means you will have to take this into consideration. It means more payment for someone who will work less and someone who will be looked down upon by clients just because they boobs =/= competence and money is not one thing they desire to throw around so.

Problem with validation and benefits of intangible things such as "feels well at work" and such are hard to measure, if measured or even attempted to be measured by most companies, as opposed to "X hours = Y money if less hours for equal amount of money then no"

edited 22nd Oct '14 1:57:14 PM by Aszur

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

Many times women have faced discrimination simply because they can have children even if they have no intention to or any previous to the job.

The very fact she could get pregnant is a liability and not worthy of investment.

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur

I really don't think 19 years is that long a time frame compare to the average human lifespan not even career span. Hell most people would be lucky to be out of the house and at college by 19.

edited 23rd Oct '14 12:20:36 AM by joeyjojo

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If you can't decide in 19 years if you want children or not and either have them or not, then you don't need to have kids regardless of your gender.

Kids aren't pets. They're massive amounts of work and the longer you wait to have them the better chance of being a better parent you are. Having less children has also proven to be valuable.

Honestly, I rather see a move where women are told they don't have to be a mother unless they chose and all the birth control options laid at their feet. I would love to see specifically America's but many other countries as well's birth rates go down.

I want women to have a culture of empowerment through whatever means, not just the fact they could be breeders.

Then again, I also want a living wage, my student loans to disappear, and world peace. But hopefully in my lifetime I can see an improvement.

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur

I'd back up lowering the population numbers by any reasonably moral means.

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They took 60 more women and girls...

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur

You know, if only the first world had these flying things about the size of a small SUV that were good with finding people with a thermal camera, had 6 hours of fuel, and could be operated with minimal involvement.

Oh right they do, why does no one use them to help look? :/

edited 23rd Oct '14 12:40:45 PM by Imca

No oil.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

In Nigeria? Nigeria is Africa's largest producer of oil!

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Not so. Nigeria has one of the largest and richest oil reserves in Sub-Sahara Africa. Energy economists speculate that it is second only to Angola, so the problem isn't a lack of oil in the region or other natural resources. The same can be said of the Middle East. Africa and South America have substantial oil supplies, but one of the major reasons why the US and its allies conduct business in the Middle East is because Middle Eastern oil tycoons have a history of being easier to deal with, to put it simply.

Disregard for the plight of women in Africa and elsewhere has more to do with cultural issues (eurocentrism, media saturation, etc.) than economic issues. As a side nitpick, Nigeria has one of the fastest growing economies (it actually has the highest GDP in Africa). Not that anyone suggested that they don't, but it's worth pointing out due to frequent views of Africa as a culturally and economically inept group of nations.

edited 23rd Oct '14 1:52:41 PM by Aprilla

Source

• 3 : The number of women murdered every day by a current or former male partner in the U.S.

• 38,028,000 : The number of women who have experienced physical intimate partner violence in their lifetimes.

• 4,774,000 : The number of women in the U.S. who experience physical violence by an intimate partner ever year.

• 1,509 : The number of women murdered by men they knew in 2011. Of the 1,509 women, 926 were killed by an intimate partner and 264 of those were killed by an intimate partner during an argument.

• 18,000 : The number of women who have been killed by men in domestic violence disputes since 2003.

• 1 in 4 : The number of women who will be victims of severe violence by an intimate partner in their lifetimes.

• 1 in 7 : The number of men who will be victims of severe violence by an intimate partner in their lifetimes.

• 8,000,000 : The number of days of paid work women lose every year because of the abuse perpetrated against them by current or former male partners. This loss is equivalent to over 32,000 full-time jobs.

• 40-45 : The percentage of women in physically abusive relationships who are raped and/or assaulted during the relationship.

• 18,500,000 : The number of mental health care visits due to intimate partner violence every year.

• $948 : The average cost of emergency care for intimate partner violence related incidents for women. The average cost for men is $387.

• 2 in 5 : The number of gay or bisexual men who will experience intimate partner violence in their lifetimes.

• 50 : The percentage of lesbian women who will experience domestic violence (not necessarily intimate partner violence) in their lifetimes.

• 81 : The percentage of women who are stalked by a current or former male partner who are also physically abused by that partner.

• 70 : The percentage of women worldwide who will experience physical and/or sexual abuse by an intimate partner during their lifetimes.

• 98 : The percentage of financial abuse that occurs in all domestic violence cases. The number one reason domestic violence survivors stay or return to the abusive relationship is because the abuser controls their money supply, leaving them with no financial resources to break free.

• $5,800,000,000 : The estimated cost of incidents of intimate partner violence perpetrated against women in the U.S. in 1995 alone.

• 21 : The number of LGBT people murdered by their intimate partners in 2013. Fifty percent of them were people of color. This is the highest documented level of domestic violence homicides in the LGBT community in history.

• 2.6x : The amount of times more likely a transgender person of color is to become a victim of intimate partner violence than a non-LGBT person.

• 70x : The amount of times more likely a woman is to be murdered in the few weeks after leaving her abusive partner than at any other time in the relationship.

• 10,000,000 : The number of children exposed to domestic violence every year.

• 25 : The percentage of physical assaults perpetrated against women that are reported to the police annually.

• Women with disabilities, especially severe, are 40% more likely to experience intimate partner violence than the women without disabilities.

• Every minute, 20 people are victims of intimate partner violence.

• Worldwide, men who are exposed to domestic violence as children are 3-4 times more likely to perpetuate intimate partner violence as adults than boys who were not exposed to domestic violence.

• Every 9 seconds a woman is beaten in the United States.

• Intimate partner violence is the leading cause of female homicide and injury related deaths during pregnancy.

• Women who are victims of intimate partner violence are 8 times more likely to be killed by an intimate partner if there are firearms in the home.

• Black women experience intimate partner violence at rates 35% more than white women.

• Domestic violence is the 3rd leading cause for homelessness in families.

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur

Several drones have been dispatched actually, but when you're dealing with so much jungle it's hard to see anything.

Not only is there plenty of oil but we've acted to help in loads of places without oil, there was no oil in former Yugoslavia, no oil in Sierra Leon, no oil in East Timor. The oil arguments applies to Iraq, but it's been massively discredited by people using it as a simplistic club to explain everything, oil is not the only factor in determining western intervention in conflicts, people need to open their eyes and realise that the world is a lot more complex that the West going "oil plz".

Those are fucking horrifyingly high numbers.

edited 23rd Oct '14 2:26:51 PM by SilasW

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

No canal

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

Do we have any sources indicating where most of the women and girls are being taken from? Because Nigeria has fairly diverse topography, not just jungles.