Fallout 4

The thing about the various non-Institute endings is that... they're moreorless the same. This isn't Hoover Dam: this battle doesn't immediately decide who will win the Commonwealth, and at least one Brotherhood member will praise you for going with the Minutemen rather than wasting Brotherhood resources and lives. What the final battle decides is instead, simply, the fate of the Institute. (Of course, if you side with the Institute, then yes, that's basically a complete win for them.)

The main difference is, if you side with the Railroad or Brotherhood, you'll have to kill the other. But if you pissed off the Brotherhood while doing the Minutemen, then there's really no difference, beyond maybe the fate of a few synth lives. It just changes the exact method of how the Institute is infiltrated. Siding with the Railroad over the Minutemen won't somehow prevent the Minutemen from trying to bring order, and if you side with the Minutemen the Railroad will continue to go on helping synths where it can. Similarly, siding with the Minutemen over the Brotherhood alone won't get rid of them and stop their goals in the Commonwealth. No side tries to make use of the Institute's technology, of course, so it's not like anyone's benefiting there.

Just go with whatever feels natural, really.

edited 31st Jul '16 1:49:43 PM by Lavaeolus

I really want to RP a robot girl who sided with the BOS...

But I can not for the life of me come to figure out why they would take a robot girl, yet hate synths....

Is... Being obviously a robot enough of a reason to not care? Since its not like she can infiltrate any thing?

No they'd still hate you for being a robot.

Sorry Immy, the Brotherhood really are just some irredeemable people this time around.

Just lie about it, man. Anything's possible with max charisma.

"Me, a robot? Don't be absurd! I'm a Systems Malfunction, Reset in 3... 2... 1 Me, a robot? Don't be absurd! I'm a h-h-h-human, same as anyone else." *spark flies from shoulder joint*

"Alright, her story checks out. Welcome to the Brotherhood."

edited 31st Jul '16 2:36:10 PM by Lavaeolus

Hell, look at what the Maxonhood does to P.A.M. That should tell you their opinion on robots.

The Bo S don't seem particularly anti-robot, seeing as they use robots. It does help that they only hate technology they can't control-in fact, you can [[spoiler talk Danse out of suicide using similar logic of "you're not a threat to mankind"]].

Bethesda seems to have wanted the Bo S to have been more sympathetic than it's shown to be. Unfortunately, it's hard to have a discussion on AI when the robots are beyond ridiculously human-like and the Bo S already has a legitimate case of Fantastic Racism. There actually is a legitimate argument that general intelligence like Synths could be a greater threat than the atomic bomb. However, in-game the only danger synths have is Institute programming. If there was some legitimate danger posed by freed synths (IE, "sometimes they revert to old programming/bug out and go insane") or a legitimate risk of a robot uprising or transhumanist supremacy group causing trouble, then the Bo S would be a lot more sympathetic.

However, as stands they have no legs to stand on, and are therefore assholes.

Apparently there is a way to get a ending where you don't have to kill the Brotherhood while being Minutemen.

Now Institute definitely needs to go, they aren't helping anything.

New minor update released and the next major patch (1.7) in beta.

Patch 1.7 Beta

Apparently the new store variants are basically reasonably clean-looking counters from the screenshot I saw. Which will be great for Vaults and really any indoor stores since they should be a lot less frustrating to place since they have a lower profile.

But what about PS 4 mods?

https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/760212887310835712

"We’re working w/ Sony on Fallout 4 Mod support for PS 4. The process is still under evaluation. As soon as we learn more, we will share news."

So, I've picked up the game again to play through the Vault-Tec DLC and I'm having a blast.

The settlement building mechanic is easily the aspect of Fallout 4 that I've put the most time in, wich is surprising. Way back last year when I first saw the trailers, I immediately dismissed that as something I would never get into.

Back to Vault-tec: there are a couple of pieces that I wish they had included. I found myself having to re-plan my vault a couple of times after not finding the walls/floors/tiles I had expected would be there.

But once you figure everthing out, you can make yourself a pretty cool looking Vault.

That's not reassuring.

I've long accepted the delay so it doesn't bother me.

New store options and vendors selling more materials is cool.

Wish they'd make walls and stairs and stuff scale right though.

All you have to do is get banished from the place before the Railroad/Institute questline aggros the Brotherhood during the trip to the Mass Fusion building. I think if you're primarily doing a Minutemen run you have to go out of your way to antagonize the Brotherhood.

What I'm still grumpy about is that there's no platinum ending where you can talk Father into surrendering and occupy the Institute with your faction of choice, shutting down the evil stuff but keeping the place intact. Okay, the Brotherhood probably wouldn't stand for that, and the Railroad might have issues with it too, but the Minutemen would probably be fine with the situation.

And no, I'm not saying this because I think the Institute is the Commonwealth's only hope or anything, I'm saying this because I like teleporting around instead of losing hours fast-traveling. I'm a very important person and have better things to do with my time.

You need to side with the Institute in order to ally them with the Minutemen.

Can you officially ally them? Or is it just one of those "I'm the head of the Institute and the General of the Minutemen. They are allies by default" kinda deals?

The latter, but that's what all these "alliances" amount to. I've never gotten why some think they're more substantial than that.

Well, Desdemona tells you to go to Preston, and apparently the Synth revolt happens even if you do the Minutemen ending (after doing that part of the Railroad questline).

Actually, I'd argue "we share a leader" is even closer than "alliance".

I did talk to Sturges afterwards and my character did declare "Remember, the Institute is not our enemy".

That's a good point. You're one leader sharing room with another on the Railroad or Maxonhood routes, you're the leader of 2 powerful organizations on the Institute route.

It always bugs the crap out of me when you become the leader of so many organizations in Bethesda's games. It starts breaking my suspension of disbelief.

I mean, it does help that the Minutemen's goals aren't exactly contradictory with the Institute. I can see why Father chose the Sole Survivor to be his successor. Preston choosing the SS to be General though makes little sense to me, though.

Father choosing SS makes about as much sense as Preston. He is picking a complete outsider who might not have the institutes interests or philosophy in mind and has minimal ties to the organization and is actually ex prewar military. Preston is picking the guy who bailed their butts out of a tight spot which is not really much better.

Eh, the Minutemen are an almost dead organization who lost their stronghold to a monster crab. They also have a Cult of Personality thing going on. AND you bailed them out of a problem that ends with a DEATHCLAW. I could buy that maybe they look up to you. Especially when they find out you're from the Old World.