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The Grand and Unified Appearance Trope Clean Up (now on ThighHighBoots):

Currently on the table: Thigh-High Boots

There is on TV Tropes, a common bad habit that persists among editors of using appearance tropes, or names that sound like they could be appearance tropes, badly. They always suffer from the same problems and they tend to clog up the TRS like they're on a revolving door. As such I'm making a large scale special effort in order to address the common problems all of these tropes have.

Sometimes non-appearance tropes are mistaken for appearance tropes. Report them here and the clean-up will be handled.

We're going to search for the best ways to change the culture and make sure that the misuse stops. Tropes will be handled here and we'll likely have a fair number of crowners on this thread. Keep checking back for new developments.

For full details, including the to-do list and crowner list, check this post.

edited 8th Apr '14 9:23:55 PM by Madrugada

 176 lu 127, Fri, 14th Dec '12 11:21:12 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Still think dumping it is the best approach.
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 177 Septimus Heap, Fri, 14th Dec '12 11:23:27 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
I haven't voted already, because Nocturna brought up an interesting argument in @161, as well as @167 that I want to test here.

With example-cutting restored to the option I switched my vote to keep it as an exampleless visual device.

edited 14th Dec '12 11:55:53 AM by ArcadesSabboth

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 179 lu 127, Fri, 14th Dec '12 11:59:12 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I don't think it's salvageable. The visual convention could start fresh with YKTTW, but this is ingrained into people's heads as a "free for all ZCE trope", so it seems more profitable if it goes away.

edited 14th Dec '12 11:59:28 AM by lu127

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 180 Septimus Heap, Fri, 14th Dec '12 12:02:21 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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The page itself does not have ATM a lot of Zero Context Examples - the wicks I didn't check.

 181 Willbyr, Fri, 14th Dec '12 1:04:36 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
I definitely think it needs a rename if the votes go toward the "keep and redefine" option.
I'd want to cut and disallow all examples on work pages, too.
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 183 Xtifr, Fri, 14th Dec '12 5:29:03 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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If we're going to rename and redefine and cut examples, then what's the point of keeping it? We won't have the current name, definition or examples. It'll be something completely new. So why not just cut, and take the new whatever to YKTTW?

I think some people are just freaked out by the idea of cutting something, and want to avoid that even when it stops making sense.
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 184 Troacctid, Fri, 14th Dec '12 5:29:27 PM from California
If we're keeping it strictly as a visual convention, why do we need to cut examples? None of them are problematic under that definition.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
[up]Their use is trivia, not a trope. It's meaningless and still ZCE.
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My understanding was that the "define as visual convention" option meant keeping the same name.

 187 Willbyr, Fri, 14th Dec '12 7:20:00 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
[up] The problem with that is that Shiny Midnight Black doesn't actually describe the highlighting thing at all; it's a perfect description of deeply (almost lustrously) black hair, but that's it.
 188 Troacctid, Fri, 14th Dec '12 7:27:41 PM from California
I don't know if it's a trope, but it's clearly not Trivia.

All examples of a trope are notable. If it's a trope, we should list examples for it. The only exceptions should be the ones that are absurdly widespread, like Climax and The Good Guys Win.

And if it's not a trope, why should we keep the page? It's not as if "Shiny Midnight Black" is a term we need a definition for, like Kuudere.

edited 14th Dec '12 7:30:10 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
I've moved to the "cut everything, start the visual thing over in YKTTW with new name" camp.
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 190 Septimus Heap, Sat, 15th Dec '12 8:20:26 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Ok, Xtifr's post has convinced me - changing vote back to "cut".

 191 Deboss, Sat, 15th Dec '12 10:22:17 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
In favor of either converting Shiny Midnight Black to being about the visual contrast issue or making that trope. Really dark black hair isn't a trope though. Did we ever get around to "character has [specific characteristic] fetish" trope so we could stick most of the in work references to that sort of thing?
 192 lu 127, Sat, 15th Dec '12 10:59:05 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Hrrrr, Elegant Gothic Lolita is more a matter of style than characterization, so there's not much we can do other than describing the look. Any ZCE fleshing volunteers?
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[up]I'll see what I can do. I'm guessing most of it's usage on the wiki are also zero context examples.

 194 lu 127, Mon, 17th Dec '12 9:28:54 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Good. Now, Power Blonde....is there anything salvageable there? It feels less like a trope and more like an arbitrary assortment of characteristics.
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 195 Septimus Heap, Mon, 17th Dec '12 9:30:08 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
With 138 wicks and 71 inbounds, it certainly isn't something big to loss.

I thought it was supposed to be about a blonde character in a leadership role. Not sure that's a trope though.

 197 Nohbody, Mon, 17th Dec '12 10:31:39 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
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The Shiny Midnight Black crowner has been up for three days now, and it looks like it's trending pretty clearly towards cutting it entirely.

I think we're getting near the point of calling the crowner, if not there already.

(Also, perhaps remove Hair of Gold from the OP, as it's been resolved?)

edited 17th Dec '12 10:32:51 AM by Nohbody

 198 Madrugada, Mon, 17th Dec '12 10:38:09 AM Relationship Status: In season
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Power Blonde makes me thoughtful largely, I think, because it starts out by defining what it's not: A blonde who isn't evil."

Then it goes on to say basically: "A blonde who is in a position of power or leadership." Like most of the other hair color tropes, that has become "any character who is both blonde and in a position of power or leadership." I don't know how many examples would still be good if it was changed to fall in line with the other hair color and eye color tropes: "Blonde hair is used to indicate or emphasize to the reader that the woman is powerful/the leader."
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 199 lu 127, Mon, 17th Dec '12 10:43:31 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I'm not sure blonde hair = strong, powerful woman is a trope. It seems more like an arbitrary connection between the appearance and the characteristic.
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 200 Nohbody, Mon, 17th Dec '12 10:45:08 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
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^^ Especially since there isn't, AFAIK, any implications regarding blonde other than the ones involving intelligence (or, specifically, apparent lack thereof). Blonde hair isn't a "power color" or anything like that, though I'll grant you that the whole "power [blah]" thing in regards to personal appearance has always left me a little puzzled, as a fashion-deficient guy. tongue

edited 17th Dec '12 10:45:19 AM by Nohbody

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