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KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#26: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:16:17 PM

I'm not sure, but are implying that the only Nintendo exclusives are first-party games? Because that's just flat-out wrong, especially on the DS.

And if you're saying that Nintendo having their own console is an unfair advantage over other game companies, why would it be fair for Sony and Microsoft to have them? They have their own first-party games, just no as prominent as Nintendo's. It would only be fair then if there was just one neutral platform for every game.

Deathonabun Bunny from the bedroom Since: Jan, 2001
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#27: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:16:51 PM

I'm not attending to your point because I don't think your point is worth attending. As far as I'm concerned, less competition is not a good thing. It's great to have choices, even if they can be tough to make. It's better than having only one choice, which both sucks for the consumer if they don't like it and also stifles creativity.

And quite frankly, yes, I think they're more than justified as long as it's a business practice that keeps them afloat. It's not shady or immoral by any means.

edited 2nd Dec '12 3:18:27 PM by Deathonabun

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Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
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#28: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:18:27 PM

And Team Ninja got involved in making Other M, we know, we know.....

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KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#29: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:19:30 PM

How is that relevant?

CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
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#30: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:20:41 PM

I am so confused right now.

GeneralTommy WAAAGH! from With Da Orkz Since: Jan, 2001
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#31: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:21:38 PM

[up]You and me both.

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Kostya from Everywhere Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#32: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:24:34 PM

You're answering your own question while not attending to my point. How is that supposed to make me wrong?

If anything, you sound as if Nintendo is forever justified to do so, because they've been commiting to this practice long enough. IF, one day, they can and will sell their franchises on other companies' consoles, and can stand toe to toe, then my point is automatically disproven.

[down]Mind you, I'm keeping this thread's question in mind. About whether Nintendo should develop for other platforms other than their own. We've moved along since 80's, Atari and Nintendo to Nintendo to Sega to Sony and today.

Frankly I don't think your point makes logical sense no matter how you frame it.

They are forever justified because they are not doing anything morally or legally wrong and it makes them money. They need no other reasons than that. You seem to be ignoring the fact that they have no incentive to ever do that unless their consoles start failing.

That is BS and you know it. Atari and Sega couldn't compete in the console market, that's why they went third party. Nintendo is still doing very well and as such they have no reason to change their practices and they are not morally bankrupt by not changing them. Do you also advocate Halo on the PS 3 and Little Big Planet on the 360. If not then I fail to see why Nintendo needs to bend over backwards.

edited 2nd Dec '12 3:25:52 PM by Kostya

Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
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#33: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:26:08 PM

Did I just non-sequiturilly murder your drive?

Anyway.... I am against all forms of franchise greenhousing, so it's not a Nintendo-only bias. But the amount of platforms (consoles and handhelds) Nintendo spewed out will always be the most out of many. You say it's a selection of choices, I say it's a polished poop. You say it gives developers the choices, I say it's only Nintendo being a cash vacumm.

[up]As a matter of fact, I do

edited 2nd Dec '12 3:27:01 PM by Cassie

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burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#34: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:27:58 PM

Yeah, Cassie, you're speaking nonsense. I actually don't blame the people making the strawman out of you that amounts to "I can't afford the Wii U."

Plus, you are in the overwhelming minority in terms of the consoles, seeing as the content creators generally love new platforms, and sales have been dropping because consumers don't see anything to "wow" them on the old hardware anymore. Nintendo's releases are also just as spaced out as Sony's and Microsoft's.

You bring up that the exclusives second-party releases as an argument against them actually being exclusives, but fail to realize that Sony and Microsoft probably own the IP involved, or even specific games, as part of the agreement that made the games exclusive. Remember, this is why Mass Effect 1 was a 360 exclusive until Trilogy.

Overall, Nintendo's doing exactly what their competitors are doing in terms of what you're arguing, the only difference being that their IP is more iconic.

EDIT: Just saw your new post. You realize that many devs willingly make 3rd-party exclusives with no connection to the platform holder, right? Plus, Nintendo owning their IP means they would also willingly continue to do so.

edited 2nd Dec '12 3:31:35 PM by burnpsy

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#35: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:28:09 PM

Why are you against exclusives? Do you release the lack of them is part of the reason the original crash happened?

Either way your views are irrelevant. If it makes the fans and developers happy then it is a good idea and so far it does both of those things.

KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#36: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:29:43 PM

So then, would you like there to be one completely neutral console? Cause that would never happen, and so long as it doesn't happen, there will always be console exclusives, first or third-party.

Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
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#37: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:35:54 PM

Don't give me the neutral console argument. If your views is that Nintendo should not make their OWN games, for OTHER consoles, then that's that. My views will always be the opposite, since their franchises can stay in their own consoles for all I care.

edited 2nd Dec '12 3:36:14 PM by Cassie

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GeneralTommy WAAAGH! from With Da Orkz Since: Jan, 2001
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#38: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:36:13 PM

Did I just non-sequiturilly murder your drive?

I believe the answer is a "yes", because I cannot understand what you're trying to say. Your argument seems to be taking a drunken walk down several different points, which do not add up to a solid conclusion.

[up]Wat.

edited 2nd Dec '12 3:36:59 PM by GeneralTommy

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burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#39: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:39:54 PM

Don't give me the neutral console argument. If your views is that Nintendo should not make their OWN games, for OTHER consoles, then that's that. My views will always be the opposite, since their franchises can stay in their own consoles for all I care.

You just directly contradicted your previous arguments.

But, regardless, Nintendo is free to do what they want with their own property.

edited 2nd Dec '12 3:40:58 PM by burnpsy

KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#40: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:40:35 PM

What argument? That's what it sounds like you want. If not, then what makes Nintendo worse than Sony or Microsoft?

Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia Since: May, 2010
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#41: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:42:59 PM

Cassie.
I do not understand your position.
On one hand, you say there shouldn't be exclusives. That companies should develop their titles for other comapnies' consoles.
That would remove the competition between the consoles, since they would all have the same games.
That is what creates the neutral console perspective.

On the other hand, you just said something completely contradictory to your viewpoint thusfar and I have no idea how to respond to it. [up][up]Exactly.

edited 2nd Dec '12 3:45:00 PM by Zeromaeus

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Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
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#42: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:43:19 PM

How about let's start talking about the quality of Nintendo's first party games, and how well they might stand up to other games if made on a hypothetically same platform?

edited 2nd Dec '12 3:44:16 PM by Cassie

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CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
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#43: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:44:28 PM

How about no. We've answered the OP's question, some of us clearly and concisely, some of us...less so. We're done here.

imadinosaur Since: Oct, 2011
#44: Dec 2nd 2012 at 3:50:01 PM

I don't think Cassie said that they thought Sony or Microsoft are any better than Nintendo.

Cassie's argument seems to contradict the very nature of free market capitalism, if taken to its logical conclusion. I'm not necessarily opposed to such arguments, depending on what they are exactly, but I would like to know if Cassie has thought it through to that extent.

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TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley Since: Jan, 2011
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#45: Dec 2nd 2012 at 5:47:03 PM

Will Nintendo be buying out Sony's gaming division in the near future? I heard that that Sony was on hard times and that PS Triple and Vita were quite a lovely systems... Even if the former's a pain to program for.

If not, I'd prefer that official releases stay on official hardware. A good chunk of Nintendo's innovation as a publisher comes from their intimate knowledge of the platforms they make and sell, something that I think they would lose by becoming a multiplatform publisher similar to how Sega lost it when they went third party.

Now, should their platforms be more open and sport greater functionality? Should they add a bunch of indie-friendly dev tools like Microsoft did for 360 (which I imagine between that and its similarity to PC architecture, is the primary reason why anyone bothers with that horrid box)? Yeah, I can get behind that. I'd be happy to buy a Nintendo device that supports Android apps on the side or is otherwise super friendly to garage devs, but my main draw in buying a Nintendo (Whatever) is being able to play Nintendo games as they were intended to be played, "gimmicks" and all.

That said, if you want to be technical, the question is already moot. Nintendo subsidiaries have *already* done some development on 3rd-party platforms (mostly phones). They just don't do anything too serious on them.

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burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#46: Dec 2nd 2012 at 6:01:25 PM

Nintendo's announcement that Unity would work on the Wii U was certainly a major step toward indies being able to easily develop on the Wii U, though the details are admittedly scarce.

For those who aren't developers (i.e. probably everyone in this thread except for me), Unity is a popular engine with indie devs. It's rather unique in that you don't have to change a single line of code to make a game run on two different platforms in exactly the same way. Sure, you may have to change stuff around to make, say, touch controls work instead of keyboard controls, but that would be the case for any engine.

As for them buying Sony, I seriously doubt that, but if they did... they'd probably merge everything into one system. It would make no sense for them to compete with themselves.

But depending on Japan's competition laws, that may make Nintendo a monopoly, seeing as computers in general and the 360 aren't very popular (the former being primarily porn and indies).

edited 2nd Dec '12 6:15:50 PM by burnpsy

TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley Since: Jan, 2011
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#47: Dec 2nd 2012 at 6:05:59 PM

[up] The Sony comment was facetious, silly! tongue

Even if I *do* wish that Nintendo took a couple pages from them in product functionality at times. You *still* can't put custom backgrounds on 3DS. sad

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Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
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#48: Dec 3rd 2012 at 3:06:09 AM

The only thing I want happening is that players and owners of other consoles get to play Nintendo game ports.

(that is, the only thing relevant in this topic)

edited 3rd Dec '12 3:06:24 AM by Cassie

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Matrix Since: Jan, 2001
#49: Dec 3rd 2012 at 4:37:33 AM

And like everyone had said repeatedly, that will never happen because it makes no goddamn fucking business sense in any way, shape, or form.

Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
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#50: Dec 3rd 2012 at 4:49:02 AM

[up]So says the person with pure negligence of the existence of multiplatform games.

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