Girls und Panzer

, Interesting.

Anyway watched the last episode, pretty good terrain, the tank mobility and armor seems to matter the most in these battles, and there is already a tournament, this is getting good.

Yes, it's getting quite interesting. Some observations:

• The tank transporter after the break is a 30-ton Scammell Pioneer Tank Transporter. In Real Life, they certainly wouldn't have towed more than one trailer; it could only manage 15mph loaded anyhow, but the Gardner 6LW would get the load there.
• Sanders Academy: If that Shermans are M4A4s, well that was the one version the Americans never took to, since they didn't like the Multibank. The British had to take them instead, and made the engine work.
• Carbon Armour: I wonder if that was something that came up on the Imageboards?

What if they want their building damaged by the tanks so they can build a shop elsewhere? Do they fund the new shop?

Repair of damage of current shop, yes. Building a new shop somewhere else, no.

I'm hoping for a better look at the British carrier, see if it's as Brit as the other one is Japanese.

Well, I didn't get one, but I'm having a hard time reconciling the end of the match with itself. Both tanks fire, obviously. The Churchill's turret is turning at a rate insufficient to bring it in line by the time it fires; and you can clearly see the Churchill's tracer emerge from the smoke cloud, whereas the Panzer IV's tracer doesn't.

But the Panzer IV is knocked out.

The only conclusion I can reach is that Gloriana somehow cheated or the animation team rebelled.

edited 1st Nov '12 1:26:06 AM by Night

After looking at the scene again, it seems the Churchill managed to hit the front corner of the Panzer's turret, while the Panzer's round was stopped by the Churchill's gun mantlet. That's a pretty normal result.

And by the way, those aren't tracer rounds.

edited 1st Nov '12 1:38:12 AM by MarqoD

1. The Churchill didn't fire at the same time as the Pz IV, the latter fired first. The Churchill only fired a split second later, when it's visible that its 6-pounder gun was already directly aimed at the Pz IV's turret.

2. I don't see the tracer round animation you mention. If it's those yellow sparks that appear from the tanks when they shoot each other, the animation is used when they hit something.

So no, there was no animation mistake.

They're clearly visible, thus they probably have a tracer on them. (You can get away with a tracer addition to a tank-sized shell very easily; it's a fairly common thing to do.)

First, the firing order is something I already saw and accounted for. In fact that the Churchill fires second is why I even mentioned the time-to-traverse.

Second, neither tank's gun is visible when the Churchill fires, as the smoke from the Panzer IV's firing and hit is obscuring nearly the whole scene. We got to watch the Churchill traversing its turret just a moment ago, so we have a good feel for how fast it could traverse, and it would have needed a little more time than it actually took to strike the IV.

Third, no other hit generates a single large spark which moves in a straight or near-straight line all the way out of the frame. As an example, when the 38t took it on the chin the hit sparks didn't move nearly that far, they moved at right angles from the hit, they had an arc to their motion, and they were not as bright.

And fourth, even if we accept the turret-corner hit, that's still the Churchill's shot emerging from the smoke cloud at the end, not hit sparks, by the above. The immediate after-match damage to the IV (its turret is apparently torn among other things) is also suggestive. Even if it wasn't a clean miss, the damage and the fact we saw the shot suggests that the Gloriana school was using ammunition with significantly more damage potential than the tankery rules allow considering it either through-and-throughed or knocked the tank out with an armor-tearing graze.

edited 1st Nov '12 2:01:00 AM by Night

What the rules only forbid actually is that crew are harmed. AP rounds are the norm, H Es are a no-no. And although the damage on the Pz IV was substantial, it still wasn't substantial enough to be beyond repair (i.e. "tank cut in half").

The idea that you can put an AP round through a tank WITHOUT harming the crew (armor frag or a plug bouncing around at high velocity will hurt the crew in most cases) is...somewhat hilarious. You'll notice they're very careful not to show actual penetration when a tank is knocked out? It's to avoid the fridge logic.

Hence the carbon rounds speculation earlier in the thread.

edited 1st Nov '12 2:03:57 AM by Night

The "seeding" here◊.
8 - Miho's team (Ooarai - mixed nationalities)
7 - Sauders (US)
10 - St Gloriana (UK)
And for the rest
1 - Viking (Sweden?)
2 - Koala (Aussie?)
3 - Pravda (USSR)
5 - Magino (France)
6 - Anzio (Italy)
9 - BC Free -> Vichy Free (France?)
11 - Yoghurt (?)
13 - Kuromorihachi (Miho's sister's school)
14 - Chihatan -> nickname of the type-98 tank of Japan (Japan)
16 - Continuation -> Continuation War (Finland)\\

edited 1st Nov '12 2:19:21 AM by entropy13

There's already been a lot of speculation on other places, apparently in the Japanese forums. I could always dig some of it out later?

Apparently, there is some kind of carbon coating on the inside of the hull to prevent actual armour penetrations and crew injuries.

edited 1st Nov '12 2:23:33 AM by MarqoD

(The lack of quote function is irritating)

We don't need to see the moment that the Churchill fires to see that it's barrel is aligned with the part of the Pz IV's that we see got damaged. Here's a screencap (best I could capture, my reflexes suck).

http: //i.imgur.com/DK Wct.jpg (recombine the link)

Also, here's the moment the Churchill's shell hits.

http: //i.imgur.com/cwzuD.jpg

There's nothing wrong with the animation, and I didn't have to freezeframe to come to the conclusion I did above.

edited 1st Nov '12 6:58:57 AM by SayuriUliana

There is a quote function, it just has to be done manually:

Open Quote:

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words

Close Quote:

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Episode 4: Awesome tank battle turns out to only be the icing on the cake; this episode really amused me. Seeing the Vice Prez get trigger happy (and attempt and fail a Big Damn Heroes), the pink tank girls desert (it was rather nice of them to apologize afterwards), then some random old dude happy about his shop getting wrecked...

And then we get to the drama with Flower Arrangement girl and her mom. I was cracking up throughout.

We only have a partial translation of the rules, but apparently the Senshado Association pays for all associated damage done during official tank battles.

Yeah, I inferred something like that.

Some more interesting stuff about the world of Girls und Panzer.

Taken from Asuki:

edited 1st Nov '12 9:52:44 AM by MyssaRei

But the Winter and Continuation Wars did?

It's very contradictory. On one hand we have all these supplementary stuff that point to tanking being used only as a competitive sport. On the other hand, we have instances IN-SHOW that refer to real and historical conflicts. Kind of makes me wonder if part of it is really just in-universe propaganda.

I mean, the fact that the Senshadou Rules themselves refer to a specific date — the surrender of Japan that ended World War 2 — as a production cutoff for the types of tanks that can participate in the competitions (nothing produced after that point, whether as a prototype or an actual production model, is allowed), is telling.

P.S. Not really sure what the folks at the Imageboards have to say about the supplementary info, but some Asuki folk seem to think that the stuff being referred are, instead of instances of total war... past panzerkraft competitions.

edited 1st Nov '12 10:24:09 AM by MyssaRei

A lot of tanks would not exist in the show's universe if not for World War II. The M3 Lee would be the last American medium (in other words, no Sherman, much less the M 4 A 4), the Matilda, Churchill and Crusader won't exist, no Stu G III (but there would be a Pz. 38(t) and Pz IV), as well as her sister's Tiger. The Type 89 I-Go would be a notable exception though LOL.

Well if that's the case...it's simply replace "<Adjective/Noun> War" with "<ordinal number/name> tankery competition" LOL

edited 1st Nov '12 10:27:53 AM by entropy13

Makes about as much sense as anything else, I guess. I can roll with that if need be.

Really wish someone would translate the complete Senshadou rules that were given out. Oh well, partial translations are okay too.

edited 1st Nov '12 12:31:50 PM by MyssaRei