Samurai Jack General

I am going to state a few things that were probably already considered obvious

1.) It’s a tad bit ironic that when Jack finally saw Ashi’s face in episodes 3 and 4, all he saw was, if I may coin a phrase from Tim Allen, “A sad, sad, strange little woman”. Yet, by exactly, episode 6, whenever he saw her face, all he saw was a vision of beauty.

2.) It is also a tad bit ironic that Ashi has spent her whole life preparing to kill Samurai Jack, and yet, when she actually gets to properly meet him, it begins to send her down the road to the point where she views him dying as the absolute last thing that she ever wants to see. She even seemed a great deal shocked by the very notion that the Woolies actually thought that she was trying to hurt him, even though she was going on and on about wanting to kill him exactly two episodes prior.

Pitching a tent here, but the show is a lot more than a single weird common offensive stereotype. I'm not thankful for the big lips often given to black characters, but if I let those things put me off from watching something I wouldn't watch a great many things. Speaking as an earnest fan of the show if you like the Super Robot Genre and More Dakka and hammy macho caricatures shouting at the top of their lungs, you're really cheating yourself out of a decent anime.

Samurai Jack was once criticized for cultural appropriation. But it does so with so much pizaz (not to mention having a Japanese protagonist and striking cultural influences) I don't think anyone really cared. The good far, far outweighed the bad.

Fair enough.

edited 2nd Apr '18 8:29:18 PM by Soble

I don't recall any criticism of Samurai Jack for that (though by all means link it if there is any), I'm just saying that I, as someone who is LGBT, do not feel comfortable with watching Gurren Lagann thanks to that awful gay stereotype in there. Just my personal choice.

"Weird gay ste—" oh. Leeron. Right.

But Leeron is an actually useful and endearing character. You can tell that under all those silly antics he clearly looks after the team and imparts very wise advice about characters' problems.

To be fair, Dexter's Lab was totally a Kafka Komedy, it's just not remembered so much for it. Whiplashing to a downer ending was one of its favorite ways of ending a cartoon.

edited 2nd Apr '18 8:24:50 PM by KnownUnknown

Yeah, as a kid I kinda didn't like that about the show.

I don't know anything about Gurren Lagann or the character being discussed, but generally seeing how most works are going to have some unfortunate elements, it's generally not the best to cut yourself off from things based on one thing alone.

But that's just personal opinion, evidently Aldric feels differently and that's perfectly understandable.

edited 2nd Apr '18 8:27:04 PM by LSBK

Ashi getting erased makes for some good comedy...

Both in and out of the show...

So. Many. Fix Fics about the ending to the point where the majority of the FanficRecs.Samurai Jack 's season 5 fics are those XD;

I read one AU that was interesting cause it involved Aku winning and killing Jack and Ashi, only for the gods to give everyone else their own magic swords and everyone he helped throughout the series defeated him. (Meanwhile Jack and Ashi were married in the afterlife.)

edited 2nd Apr '18 8:52:02 PM by lalalei2001

Leeron- the joke was that GL was supposed to be a show about embracing your manliness and the incredibly, ridiculous lengths you can imagine with FIGHTING SPIRIT, and Leeron, the least manly male character in the cast, was also the team's professor/scientist and no one ever disrespected him for it despite having no fighting skills. I don't think it was supposed to make any social commentary on gays, so just refusing to watch the show because of him sounds overblown.

Now this is a Jack thread, so back on topic, I read Genndy's explanation of the ending, and I still disagree that Ashi should've died.

Please quit derailing the thread to focus on me not wanting to watch Guran Lagan, it comes off really rude to keep focusing on that.

Leeron starts a bit stereotypical, but they establish quickly that he acts that way deliberately to troll other people and he grows immensely as a character over the course of the series. That being said, they are basically the exact same ending. The main character kills the main villain but the main love interest has No Ontological Inertia and depends on the villain to survive. Somehow, she manages to stay alive for a long time after this, just long enough to die in the middle of her wedding to the main character. Though in Gurren Lagann, they explained it as her being a Determinator.

I have to agree that a happy ending in Samurai Jack would feel wrong for the show, and a sad ending feels more appropriate.

edited 2nd Apr '18 11:47:33 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Oh for the love of god, can we stop talking about Leeron? I simply said in response to someone asking if I was fine with spoilers for Gurren Lagann that I didn't care and that I didn't intend on watching it because of said character, stop derailing this thread into defending said character and focus on the topic of the thread.

Just saying that your assumption that he's a shallow gay stereotype is wrong, that's all. If anything, I'd say that criticism of Gurren Lagann's sparse and underused female cast is much more valid.

I also explained how the endings are basically the same and gave my two cents on how appropriate the ending is for the series' overall tone.

edited 3rd Apr '18 12:00:58 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

I have made it clear that I have no intention on seeing the show because I'm uncomfortable with a gay stereotype, that is no call to derail it into getting the last word in on how I'm allegedly wrong and to try and change my mind, especially in a thread that isn't even for that damn show. Focus on Samurai Jack without slipping anything unrelated to it.

edited 3rd Apr '18 12:04:06 AM by AdricDePsycho

Okay, but that assumption is wrong and ignorant. You shouldn't get angry when people who have seen the show try to correct you and explain why that assumption is incorrect.

Drop it. It's not relevant.

@Known Unknown I think that's the thing though. It was a comedy. There were plenty of bad endings but they were usually Black Comedy at worst. Then we'd randomly have these very serious endings out of nowhere.

I'm fine with moving on. Sorry I brought it up. I'll remove the post.

   GOTTA GET BACK. BACK TO DA TOPIC.    Samurai Jack...-optic?

Dexter though, Dexter deserved it. He was kind of a dip. Jack? Jack is literally wielding the power of righteousness in katana form.

edited 3rd Apr '18 8:17:26 AM by Soble

So he deserves it even more?

Did I not say I was getting back on topic???

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I can sort of laugh at Dexter because he's a Jerkass like eighty percent of the time. Most of his problems would be resolved if he wasn't so stand-offish with Dee Dee.

Samurai Jack's ending is perfectly serviceable. I can think of a lot worse ways to have ended it.

edited 3rd Apr '18 8:45:45 AM by LordVatek

I meant Jack deserves it more...

I can think of a lot of ways I'd have preferred it to end. It's a serviceable ending, but that's just it, it's serviceable.

Jack deserves it less. He uses good intentions as a weapon!