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#1051: Aug 21st 2015 at 1:25:30 PM

I think their use should be restricted to industrial, research, search & rescue, and surveilance when you consider what's been going on lately. Why not ban their use in a residential area or when there's a crowd nearby?

Considering that I saw one these things with some sort of machine gun attached to it in a game that was featured at E3, I won't be suprised if the military (or any criminals and extremists who can afford one) are using these things the same way Soundwave uses Laserbeak.

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#1052: Aug 21st 2015 at 1:43:12 PM

Why not ban their use in a residential area or when there's a crowd nearby?

I wouldn't be surprised if that is already the case — in fact, for the Americans here are the FAA FAQs on the subject, which also links to the FAA page on the subject.

edited 21st Aug '15 1:49:30 PM by Greenmantle

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#1053: Aug 21st 2015 at 1:49:47 PM

[up][up] I don't even want them to be used for general 24/7 surveillance, due to the potential for abuse and the general creepiness of an omnipresent camera in the sky. Specific surveillance of a wanted target, that's a little different because you're not recording anything and everything indiscriminately, you're focused on one person or group of people who have broken the law or are planning to.

I am very much in approval of drones being used for rescues/firefighting ('cause they can go where humans can't easily go) and recording sporting/music events ('cause it provides lots of cool footage), though.

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#1054: Aug 21st 2015 at 2:22:25 PM

Shockingly, you can't destroy someone's property just because you don't like what they're doing with it. Why should this be any different for drones than for anything else? If someone has a loud stereo system in their car, would you feel justified in taking a bat to it? If someone takes a picture of you, is it okay for you to smash their camera?

The hatred of drones is pure kneejerk New Technology Is Evil. Yeah, there need to be regulations for safety and privacy reasons, but when you're on a public beach you have no expectation of privacy anyway.

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#1055: Sep 15th 2015 at 9:12:24 AM

Man fined after flying drones over Premier League stadiums

A man has admitted illegally flying drones over professional football matches and London landmarks. Nigel Wilson admitted nine breaches of taking video over football grounds and tourist attractions last year. Wilson, from Bingham, Nottinghamshire, was originally accused of 17 breaches of the Air Navigation Order but some charges were dropped due to insufficient evidence. He was fined £1,800 at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

It was the first case in England of a person being prosecuted by the Crown Prosecution Service for using drones after a police-led operation. Wilson, 42, was accused by Scotland Yard of flying the aircraft unmanned and "failing to maintain direct visual contact".

The charges he admitted included flying the drone on:

  • September 16 - Liverpool v Ludogorets FC at Anfield
  • September 23 - Derby County v Reading at iPro Stadium, Derby
  • September 27 - Palace of Westminsternote , London
  • September 27 - Arsenal v Tottenham Hotspur at Emirates Stadium, London
  • October 9 - Queen Victoria Memorial outside Buckingham Palace and north bank of the River Thames in London
  • October 18 - Manchester City v Tottenham Hotspur at Etihad Stadium, Manchester

The court heard police horses were startled by Wilson's device as it flew over a Champions League group stage game between Liverpool and Bulgarian visitors Ludogorets at Anfield. He was also twice arrested in London and had his drones confiscated.

District Judge Quentin Purdy told Wilson, a security guard, he had put the public at risk by flying the drones over busy, built-up areas. He said: "At each and every one of these places an accident could have occurred simply by a gust of wind or something of that nature taking it out of your control.

"In each and every case you knew what you were doing. Several times you were warned by police, who seized drones from you, and on numerous occasions by people posting on your You Tube channel. It was the height of arrogance in terms of public safety."

Wilson, a father-of-two, shot the videos using three unmanned aircraft and uploaded them to his You Tube channel, PV2+ Adventures.

Susan Bryant, defending, described Wilson as a "hobbyist", adding: "It was something he put a great amount of time into in terms of improving his skill."

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#1056: Sep 15th 2015 at 9:59:30 AM

Did that judge just say that the man should have listened to You Tube comments? tongue

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#1057: Oct 4th 2015 at 11:39:11 PM

Are drones dangerous or harmless fun?

He believes someone will inevitably be killed or seriously injured as drones become more popular.

"In the industry they call it 'The Incident', and it's an incident that everybody knows is going to happen one day," he says. "Everyone will be looking at the drone industry, saying 'why the hell weren't these regulated more?' There will be such a knee-jerk reaction to it. So people are kind of ready for this to happen."

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#1059: Dec 23rd 2015 at 1:27:38 PM

I take it that was a media drone. Close call and maybe keep them to the side of the track where they won't crash on the athletes.

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#1060: Feb 3rd 2016 at 10:17:20 AM

Bumping this, because I just saw a new report about using eagles to catch drones. Apparently police in the Netherlands is experimenting with this to deal with terrorist drones. Wonder if there is English-language discussion about this?

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#1061: Feb 3rd 2016 at 10:59:19 AM

I've seen it around, yeah. Can't really link since I'm on mobile at the moment. Not sure how viable it really is, though — to be blunt, eagles are probably more expensive than drones.

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#1062: Feb 3rd 2016 at 1:07:35 PM

Got ya covered. Here is an article with a video demonstration.

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#1064: Apr 4th 2016 at 4:38:21 PM

Large flying drown wields chainsaw I am waiting for the first killer drone b-movie slasher flick.

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#1065: Apr 4th 2016 at 5:08:01 PM

That's honestly fairly impressive, from a technical standpoint. A full-sized chainsaw is not a small payload (about ten pounds, give or take, which is pretty hefty for a consumer-grade drone like that), and I bet that a spinning chain has all sorts of interesting gyroscopic effects, to say nothing of the forces involved when it actually bites into things it's cutting.

Seeing it get taken down by a balloon was pretty funny, too.

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#1066: Apr 8th 2016 at 4:35:56 PM

It was pretty impressive and a wee bit scary.

Remotely operated animal decoys used in poacher stings.

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#1067: Apr 9th 2016 at 1:33:02 AM

Whew. That sounds fairly interesting.

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#1068: Apr 17th 2016 at 11:57:45 AM

Drone hits British Airways plane at Heathrow airport, says pilot

Police are investigating a pilot’s claim that his plane was struck by a drone as it approached Heathrow airport.

The Metropolitan police said they were contacted on Sunday afternoon by the pilot, who landed the plane safely at Terminal 5. No one has been arrested, officers said.

The flight, BA727, was coming in to London from Geneva, carrying 132 passengers and five crew.

British Airways said the Airbus A320 had been examined by engineers and cleared to take off for its next flight after the incident.

Earlier this month, the airline pilots’ union called for an investigation into the likely effects of a drone strike on an aircraft after a report by the UK Airprox Board found that there were 23 near-misses between drones and aircraft in the six months between April and October last year.

They included one on 22 September, when a Boeing 777 that had just taken off reported that a drone narrowly passed the right hand side of the airliner. Investigators concluded that the drone was at the same height and within 25 metres of the jet. A report was made to police but the drone operator was not traced.

Days later, a drone was flown within a few metres of an Airbus A319 landing at Heathrow. The pilot told the UK Airprox Board the drone may have been just 20 feet above and 25 yards to the left when it passed by the aircraft.

The jet was flying at an altitude of 500 feet and was on the final approach when the drone was spotted.

Steve Landells, the flight safety specialist at the British Airline Pilots Association (Balpa), said that data on bird strikes was not useful because “birds don’t have a big lump of lithium battery in them”.

He raised the possibility of engine failure in the event of a drone striking aplane. “You end up with very high-velocity bits of metal going anywhere they like. That could be through fuel tanks, through hydraulic lines and even into the cabin,” he said.

“Losing the engine is not going to cause an aircraft to crash because they are designed to fly with one engine down. But an uncontained engine failure is going to be different every time. That could be very serious indeed.”

“The first thing we want to do is get a drone or at least the critical parts of a drone flying at a windscreen of an aircraft. The indications so far with computer modelling are that you’ll end up with penetration of a windscreen.

“One possibility is that the battery smashes the windscreen and the inside layer of the windscreen shatters and you end up with a lot of glass in the cockpit, probably moving at quite high speed.

“As a pilot, I don’t want to be sitting there when that’s going on.”

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#1069: Apr 17th 2016 at 12:19:07 PM

Small consumer-grade drones aren't much different than birds in terms of the threat they pose to aircraft. Which isn't to say that they pose no threat, but rather that designs take into account the possibility of bird strikes already. You still want to do everything you can to reduce the likelihood of it happening, of course, but it's not some kind of new existential threat that the industry has never faced before.

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#1070: Apr 17th 2016 at 1:04:07 PM

Drones should be easier to avoid because they have a radio signal. Easier to detect.

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#1071: Apr 17th 2016 at 1:15:57 PM

[up] Not from an aircraft travelling at a few hundred miles per hour...

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#1072: Apr 17th 2016 at 2:00:44 PM

Presumably he meant from some ground station at or near an airport. Consider-grade drones can't fly high or fast enough to be a worry for commercial aircraft except during takeoff and landing.

That said, it's still a nontrivial problem. There's a lot of radio broadcasting going on in general, and doubly so near an airport.

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#1073: May 28th 2016 at 8:04:31 AM

ANALYSIS: Taranis developers reveal test flight specifics

Despite having performed a maiden sortie some three years ago, details remain sketchy on the flight-test campaign of the BAE Systems Taranis unmanned combat air vehicle (UCAV) demonstrator.

So far, there have been three test phases – the most recent taking place in 2015. Although the manufacturer declines to detail that effort, it has divulged the rationale and intentions behind previous evaluations.

Addressing the Royal Aeronautical Society on 11 May, Paddy Bourne, chief engineer for UCAVs at BAE, said the combination of advanced low observability (LO) technologies that have to be incorporated into a UCAV design proved a challenge, even for a seasoned developer of military aircraft.

“From the point of view of the programme there were a number of challenges… a number of issues that are difficult in that context to be able to integrate together,” he says. “Elements around integrating secure communications onto an LO autonomous vehicle, how you integrate missions sensors, propulsion systems, the exhaust, and how do you control the vehicle.

“All of those things together combine to make the overall integration and overall design of the vehicle more complex and more difficult to both design and also to clear and fly.”

Bourne adds that another area that poses a problem in the development of LO technology is the requirement to clean up the airframe – removing protruding items such as probes.

He says that “open doors, and the number of holes and vents” are elements that need to be considered in a stealth design, and “all need to be perfectly controlled.

“Those are the aspects that all conspire against the designers, conspire against the people who have to build it, and conspire against the flight testers who [typically] add things on at the last minute.”

Although the Taranis’s off-the-shelf Rolls-Royce Turbomeca Adour engine is manually started, the aircraft is able to taxi to the runway “entirely automatically”, then take off and carry out a number of functions without pilot input.

It will then fly into a test area, and then “to a greater extent, but not entirely, [we] allow it some freedom of operation", says Bourne. Typically it is presented with an area inside a test range in which it is required to locate a target.

Taranis is designed to enhance the aeronautical experience that BAE has gained through numerous projects, producing a stealthy, autonomous weapon system.

When pressed on whether true stealth capability had been achieved, Bourne simply says that “the customer is very happy”. “It continues at a pace, and we aren’t cleared to say what’s next,” he adds.

Test flights were carried out at the Woomera test range in Australia. “We elected to operate over a sterile area… by doing this and ensuring the area was clear of all personnel, all we had to prove was that as long as we stayed inside that sterile area, we’d have a safe trial,” says Jon Wiggall, lead flight-test engineer for Taranis. The location in South Australia also benefits from low levels of electromagnetic interference, he says.

A significant amount of Taranis’s flight testing was carried out in an automatic mode, says Wiggall, one of three flight modes available.

When in automatic flight – the primary mode for take-off, general flying and landing – Taranis is essentially following 3D waypoints, similar to the autopilot on a commercial airliner or a Eurofighter Typhoon.

When in autonomous mode, however, the aircraft “starts to think and self-navigate”. “It can self-navigate within a boundary of set constraints,” Wiggall says. “It does have limitations on what we give it in the mission plan – it can only fly in certain areas – but it does think for itself, it will navigate, and it will search for targets.”

The aircraft self-plots a route, and the aircraft will fly around until either it has completed its mission or tasking, or it is instructed to return to base, Wiggall says.

The third mode, manual, provides a fail-safe, although this was rarely used: “Manual for Taranis is a back-up mode, and is very much a mode where something has gone wrong and we want to get the aeroplane back,” Wiggall says. “We usually get the aeroplane back under automatic control if things aren’t going great – it gives us a get-it-home capability.”

Although no system errors generated a need for manual flying, the mode was utilised to evaluate its functionality. “We didn’t want to get into a real emergency and find that the simulator isn’t representative,” says Wiggall.

Beyond Taranis, the technology developed will roll into the Anglo-French Future Combat Air System programme, which is currently in a two-year feasibility phase, ahead of the likely assembly of an initial prototype.

“We are hoping that we will get a contract for that in the next 18 months,” says Bourne. “Negotiations are under way. All flight trial objectives were met – the customer had a big smile on his face.”

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#1074: Jul 6th 2016 at 5:24:04 PM

Drone tour of quarry From the sounds and how fast it is going it may one of those quad rotor racing drones in the video. Add in you can see the pilot who appears to be wearing the VR head set used to help navigate the drone.

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DARPA's self destroying UAV Glider The idea being the glider is guided to its target location and after the materials are extracted it starts to break down removing the need to pack the device out. This would be ideal for delivering supplies to remote locations in both military and aide operations. It is supposedly going to utilize technology used in self destructing chips.

edited 6th Jul '16 5:26:28 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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#1075: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:24:29 PM

Anti-drone rifle reportedly in Iraq to fight ISIS drones. The rifle is basically a radio jammer with an aimable atennae for dealing with commercial drones used in adhoc warfare.

The rifle can be seen here as part of training for West Point cadets. Dedicated military drones are a bit harder to deal with as even the small ones are increasingly using hardened and encrypted data links and partial automation to limit interference.

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