Pussy Riot and Russia.:

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What is more probable than others by itself needs proof. Show me that Christian church that only allows people in when invited are more probable than space aliens. Show me that it is more probable that the Russian church itself doesn't allow people in unless invited, when almost every other Christian church does, than it does.

edited 21st Aug '12 12:35:22 AM by IraTheSquire

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As a private citizen, I feel that having to parade through the streets to prove a point is really fucking obnoxious, regardless of what that point is. That's all.

Welp, there goes a big part of the Civil Rights Movement's toolkit.

A major part of any political protest is how annoying and disruptive it is. Sit-ins, boycotts, mass marches - they're all about shoving your opinions in someone's face, because people have a bad habit of ignoring you otherwise. Seriously, you think MLK would have got anything done if he'd just sat at home and sent a couple of politely-written letters to the government?
What's precedent ever done for us?
128 RocketDude21st Aug 2012 01:28:48 AM from AZ, United States
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Pretty much the only way to get shit done on a wide scale these days is to get it into the consciousness of the media.
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[up]Which generally involves either being a loud, annoying shit, buying your way into the papers, or both. And since disadvantaged groups tend to be short on money by default...
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130 Greenmantle21st Aug 2012 03:58:22 AM from Greater Wessex, Britannia , Relationship Status: Hiding

Which generally involves either being a loud, annoying shit...

Hasn't that been the way it's always been done?
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132 Jhimmibhob21st Aug 2012 11:45:26 AM from Where the tea is sweet, and the cornbread ain't , Relationship Status: My own grandpa
Like some other posters here, I'm not a fan of crashing a church to make a political point, however valid; and several of the band's reported actions would probably be illegal in most countries.

But you know what? Let's play out what would've happened if the incidents had happened in, say, St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC:

At worst, the girls would've been arrested, read their rights, and held for a definite, limited time before trial. They might have faced civil & criminal charges ... only, it'd be before a jury of unbought, unintimidated peers; before a judge who didn't directly owe his independence and safety to the President whom the defendants are insulting; and against an independent plaintiff who wasn't the aggrieved President's handpuppet. They'd have gotten something ranging from simple probation, to time served, to a couple months in stir at worst.

And no one could honestly say that the political target whose chain the girls were jerking had interfered at all—much less cheated and manipulated like a pro-wrestling villain. Neither could anyone reasonably claim that the "church" they'd invaded was something closer to a bought-and-paid-for, corrupt arm of the government and its head of state.

But that's not how it works in Russia, and that's what people are torqued about—rightly so. You don't have to approve of public disorder or disrespect churches to be on the defendants' side (with reservations), or to infer dismal things about the country that imprisoned them.
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This appears to be relevant. People in Germany may face a similar prison sentence for a copycat protest like Pussy Riot's.

Of course, this IS Russia Today, so take from that what you will.

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134 Angeldeb8230th Aug 2012 10:48:25 AM from East Hartford, CT, USA , Relationship Status: Singularity
Russia: Killer demands that Pussy Riot be freed

After a few weeks of protests, this one is quite ironic. tongue
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If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd think Putin's men had arranged this murder. How much publicity is this getting in Russia?
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
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[up]Why is a conspiracy theory necessary? It's already been made obvious that the perp made a dumb, transparent attempt to blame the Pussy Riot protests in order to cover his tracks.
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138 DeviantBraeburn2nd Sep 2012 02:20:11 AM from Dysfunctional California
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Conspiracies Theories are always necessary!
Everything is Possible.

But some things are more Probable than others.


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So... what? This was a secret, multi-layered plan by Pussy Riot to get their message out whilst simultaneously having the perp dismissed as a lone nutter?
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140 TamH702nd Sep 2012 03:47:20 AM , Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Well, considering the Russians were the people who gave the word "maskirovka", you may not be too far from the truth. I doubt it though.
141 Angeldeb822nd Sep 2012 03:01:00 PM from East Hartford, CT, USA , Relationship Status: Singularity
142 Jhimmibhob2nd Sep 2012 06:27:33 PM from Where the tea is sweet, and the cornbread ain't , Relationship Status: My own grandpa
[up][up]Or as an experienced fellow put it: "In Russia, only cranks believe in 'lone gunmen.'"
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Honestly, I thought it was an agent provocateur myself until I saw that article. If it doesn't serve to cast actual Pussy Riot supporters in a bad light, there's no reason for the Putin regime to do it.
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I'm not sure whether the fact that it was so colossally, idiotically clumsy makes it more or less likely that someone else was behind it as well.
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145 Angeldeb827th Sep 2012 08:03:27 PM from East Hartford, CT, USA , Relationship Status: Singularity
146 Angeldeb8218th Sep 2012 04:09:02 PM from East Hartford, CT, USA , Relationship Status: Singularity
Hate to double-post, but:

Orthodox Russian deacon stands up for Pussy Riot

What a guy, huh? cool
147 DeviantBraeburn19th Feb 2014 06:55:58 PM from Dysfunctional California
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