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betaalpha betaalpha from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#101: Aug 20th 2012 at 11:32:45 AM

Amnesty International is running a campaign on this. Check it out if you want to send a message of support to the women who are imprisoned, presumably there'll be other ways to help out in future too.

Ever9 from Europe Since: Jul, 2011
#102: Aug 20th 2012 at 11:35:06 AM

[up][up] Actually, three of pussy riot members have been imprisoned, but Pussy Riot as an organization has fluid membership. Grab a mask and a guitar, and congratulations, you are Pussy Riot.

Are Pussy Riot looking for new members?

Garadzha: Always! Pussy Riot has to keep on expanding. That's one of the reasons we choose to always wear balaclavas—new members can join the bunch and it does not really matter who takes part in the next act—there can be three of us or eight, like in our last gig on the Red Square, or even 15. Pussy Riot is a pulsating and growing body.

Tyurya: Do you know anyone who wants to come to Moscow, play illegal concerts, and help us fight Putin and Russian chauvinists? Or maybe they could start their own local Pussy Riot, if Russia is too cold and too far.

I'd better find myself a neon balaclava then. Are you worried about police/state harassment as your profile grows?

Kot: We have nothing to worry about, because if the repressive Putinist police crooks throw one of us in prison, five, ten, 15 more girls will put on colorful balaclavas and continue the fight against their symbols of power.

Serafima: And today, with tens of thousands of people routinely taking to the streets, the state will think twice before trying to fabricate a criminal case and putting us away. There are loads of Pussy Riot fans in Russia's protesting masses.

http://www.vice.com/read/A-Russian-Pussy-Riot

edited 20th Aug '12 11:41:17 AM by Ever9

ArgentumUranium Since: Jul, 2012
#103: Aug 20th 2012 at 11:49:24 AM

If Patriarch Kirill I is the Russian equivalent of the pope, he ought to be speaking out against repression, just like John Paul II. Apparently though, Kirill has not yet commented on the issue.

Ever9 from Europe Since: Jul, 2011
#104: Aug 20th 2012 at 12:33:22 PM

[up]Well, here is a video of Kirill blessing Putin in the same Cathedral with the same ceremony as his predecessors blessed the old Czars:

By the way, it might be interest some, here is one of the Pussy Riot members' closing statement from the trial:

During the closing statement, the defendant is expected to repent or express regret for her deeds, or to enumerate attenuating circumstances. In my case, as in the case of my colleagues in the group, this is completely unnecessary. Instead, I want to express my views about the causes of what has happened with us.

The fact that Christ the Savior Cathedral had become a significant symbol in the political strategy of our powers that be was already clear to many thinking people when Vladimir Putin’s former [KGB] colleague Kirill Gundyaev took over as head of the Russian Orthodox Church. After this happened, Christ the Savior Cathedral began to be used openly as a flashy setting for the politics of the security services, which are the main source of power [in Russia].

Why did Putin feel the need to exploit the Orthodox religion and its aesthetics? After all, he could have employed his own, far more secular tools of power—for example, national corporations, or his menacing police system, or his own obedient judiciary system. It may be that the tough, failed policies of Putin’s government, the incident with the submarine Kursk, the bombings of civilians in broad daylight, and other unpleasant moments in his political career forced him to ponder the fact that it was high time to resign; otherwise, the citizens of Russia would help him do this. Apparently, it was then that he felt the need for more convincing, transcendental guarantees of his long tenure at the helm. It was here that the need arose to make use of the aesthetics of the Orthodox religion, historically associated with the heyday of Imperial Russia, where power came not from earthly manifestations such as democratic elections and civil society, but from God Himself.

How did he succeed in doing this? After all, we still have a secular state, and shouldn’t any intersection of the religious and political spheres be dealt with severely by our vigilant and critically minded society? Here, apparently, the authorities took advantage of a certain deficit of Orthodox aesthetics in Soviet times, when the Orthodox religion had the aura of a lost history, of something crushed and damaged by the Soviet totalitarian regime, and was thus an opposition culture. The authorities decided to appropriate this historical effect of loss and present their new political project to restore Russia’s lost spiritual values, a project which has little to do with a genuine concern for preservation of Russian Orthodoxy’s history and culture.

It was also fairly logical that the Russian Orthodox Church, which has long had a mystical connection with power, emerged as this project’s principal executor in the media. Moreover, it was also agreed that the Russian Orthodox Church, unlike the Soviet era, when the church opposed, above all, the crudeness of the authorities towards history itself, should also confront all baleful manifestations of contemporary mass culture, with its concept of diversity and tolerance.

Implementing this thoroughly interesting political project has required considerable quantities of professional lighting and video equipment, air time on national TV channels for hours-long live broadcasts, and numerous background shoots for morally and ethically edifying news stories, where in fact the Patriarch’s well-constructed speeches would be pronounced, helping the faithful make the right political choice during the election campaign, a difficult time for Putin. Moreover, all shooting has to take place continuously; the necessary images must sink into the memory and be constantly updated, to create the impression of something natural, constant and compulsory.

Our sudden musical appearance in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior with the song “Mother of God, Drive Putin Out” violated the integrity of this media image, generated and maintained by the authorities for so long, and revealed its falsity. In our performance we dared, without the Patriarch’s blessing, to combine the visual image of Orthodox culture and protest culture, suggesting to smart people that Orthodox culture belongs not only to the Russian Orthodox Church, the Patriarch and Putin, that it might also take the side of civic rebellion and protest in Russia.

Perhaps such an unpleasant large-scale effect from our media intrusion into the cathedral was a surprise to the authorities themselves. First they tried to present our performance as the prank of heartless militant atheists. But they made a huge blunder, since by this time we were already known as an anti-Putin feminist punk band that carried out their media raids on the country’s major political symbols.

In the end, considering all the irreversible political and symbolic losses caused by our innocent creativity, the authorities decided to protect the public from us and our nonconformist thinking. Thus ended our complicated punk adventure in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior.

I now have mixed feelings about this trial. On the one hand, we now expect a guilty verdict. Compared to the judicial machine, we are nobodies, and we have lost. On the other hand, we have won. Now the whole world sees that the criminal case against us has been fabricated. The system cannot conceal the repressive nature of this trial. Once again, Russia looks different in the eyes of the world from the way Putin tries to present it at daily international meetings. All the steps toward a state governed by the rule of law that he promised have obviously not been made. And his statement that the court in our case will be objective and make a fair decision is another deception of the entire country and the international community. That is all. Thank you.

http://olenskae.tumblr.com/post/29137327674/yekaterina-samutsevich-closing-statement-at-the-pussy

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#106: Aug 20th 2012 at 5:07:52 PM

I have to say, While I hate putin, they should get in some trouble. You can't do that in a church, ESPECIALLY since they were asked to stop and leave. On the other hand, they shouldn't have 7 years of prison. community service at the worst.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#107: Aug 20th 2012 at 5:15:06 PM

I don't know how churches work in Russia, but the ones I'm familiar with let anyone in during their hours of operation. So Pussy Riot had permission to enter the church, and they were escorted out of the building less than a minute after they began singing, so it seems like they complied with the request that they leave fairly promptly. Unless they fought back against the people showing them out, I don't see what the problem is.

Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
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#108: Aug 20th 2012 at 5:38:13 PM

Ones you're familiar with =/= Russian churches, therefore they don't run on the same rules and the same laws. Different soils

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#109: Aug 20th 2012 at 5:48:26 PM

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which makes it toally okay to ban gay pride parades for a hundred years and sentence someone to muktiple years in prison for 40 seconds of peaceful protest simply because its a church.

edited 20th Aug '12 5:48:50 PM by Midgetsnowman

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#110: Aug 20th 2012 at 5:59:01 PM

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The banning of Gay Pride parades has NOTHING to do with Pussy Riot.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#111: Aug 20th 2012 at 6:01:00 PM

[up][up][up] If you can point me to evidence that Russian churches (or at least that particular Russian church) refuse to admit people who aren't expressly invited, that might be different; then it would technically count as trespassing.

edited 20th Aug '12 6:01:15 PM by RavenWilder

Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
The armored raven
#112: Aug 20th 2012 at 6:08:05 PM

Yeah. The red herring known as banning gay pride, is a completely seperate moral issue at hand, and must not be present in this thread.

[up]Problem is, I can't. No news coverage I could get a hands on can elucidate the issue.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#113: Aug 20th 2012 at 6:10:32 PM

@braeburn: of course. I'm sure it just conveniently happened for no reason right afterwards.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#114: Aug 20th 2012 at 6:20:07 PM

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Gay Pride Rallies have had a long and troubled history with the Russian Government.

So, yeah I think the timing was coincidental.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#115: Aug 20th 2012 at 7:56:14 PM

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I think you're too damned optimistic, but whatever. :D

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#116: Aug 20th 2012 at 8:12:54 PM

[up][up]You forget what Putin's last job was. He was a Chekist. Foreign service experienced Chekist at that. Nothing that fucker does is coincidental. Dzerzhinsky Square doesn't train people who do coincidences.

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#117: Aug 20th 2012 at 8:17:53 PM

@ Cassie: You've got no proof then.

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#118: Aug 20th 2012 at 9:06:13 PM

I don't see the big deal about banning the parades.

I think parades are obnoxious, in any regard.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#119: Aug 20th 2012 at 9:23:53 PM

[up][up] And you have no proof that she is wrong.

[up] So your position is "I don't see the problem with banning something I dislike."

edited 20th Aug '12 9:24:09 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#120: Aug 20th 2012 at 9:24:56 PM

[up]I'd give my take on the matter, but if we really wanna discuss that, a new thread should be erected in honor of the glorious motherland. Red herring or not, it's still a separate issue.

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#121: Aug 20th 2012 at 9:26:35 PM

^^

As a private citizen, I feel that having to parade through the streets to prove a point is really fucking obnoxious, regardless of what that point is. That's all.

0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
Just awesome like that
#122: Aug 20th 2012 at 9:32:04 PM

Like I said, different topic. Make a thread for it. This is about Pussy Riot's protests, not about pride parades. The topic of pride parades in general even could make an interesting topic, with this being a subtopic within it, but not within this only tangentially related topic.

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IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#123: Aug 20th 2012 at 10:25:24 PM

[up][up][up][up] And the leaders of the Russian church are martians disguising as people, supporting Putin because he once judoed their asses in the inter-galactic martial arts competition. The Pussy Riot members are arrested because they are from another alien judo team who has come to Russia to assassinate Putin by singing him to death in a cathedral. Oh, and they brainwashed everybody to believe that they are human, and manipulated reality to destroy any evidence otherwise. You have no proof that is not the case either.

How many Christian churches can you name that doesn't allow admission unless invited?

edited 20th Aug '12 10:41:54 PM by IraTheSquire

0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
Just awesome like that
#124: Aug 21st 2012 at 12:06:04 AM

It pretty much is a given that a Christian church would allow everyone in, from the most heretical of atheists to the most devout of Christians to the most average of Jews. Oh, and any other religion or non-religious person too, but I don't feel like listing every single religion for the sake of completeness. Please refer to this page on Wikipedia for that.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#125: Aug 21st 2012 at 12:07:01 AM

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My old signature line (that I just restored) used to say,

"Everything is Possible."

"But some things are more Probable than others. "

edited 21st Aug '12 12:07:18 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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