Omamori Himari- Feedback Wanted

I'm honestly a little bit at a loss as to what to do for this one. While it is mostly bog-standard ecchi, there are a couple scenes involving an apparent child that can't be ignored. There's nothing about it listed in the Post-Links thread thus any feedback from the peanut gallery would be much appreciated.

Only a couple scenes? Haven't read this, so I can't help there, but I'd guess there's two ways to handle it.

Zero Tolerance: Those two scenes damn the whole work, cut it.

Leniency: Those are only two scenes of a fairly long manga, so it can stay so long as it's clean, especially of any gushing on that character.

Where are these two scenes located again? I wanna check it out myself. Because so far, I'm thinking leniency would be the better option, if only because so far it appears that it's only a few pages worth out of fifty four chapters. But if it's truly that bad...

And as for the whole "length" thing, it's nine volumes, six chapters a piece.

edited 29th Jul '12 8:52:41 PM by Raidouthe21st

See here.

There's also some discussion a little upthread of that.

Also: Anime is available on Crunchyroll

edited 29th Jul '12 8:56:22 PM by tdgoodrich1

Just little girl nipples? I'd let it slide. Now if it was wall to wall little girl nipples...

Ah. That is what you're talking about.

Well, believe it or not, there is a censored version of that scene.

edited 29th Jul '12 8:56:12 PM by Raidouthe21st

The censored version is apparently on crunchyroll

The focus isn't the little girl nipples, well outside of the shots they are present in (Well, we could get into the composition of the shot if we really wanted to, to determine whether or not the were the main focus of the shot, but lets not.)

However, It feels like a really small detail.

I consider this scene as such a tiny part of the series as to be ignorable in the grand scheme of things.

I'll admit that I don't remember the entire series scene-for-scene, but if this is the only case of pedo-pandering with any notability, I'd let it slide.

Oh, and for the record, when I went to look at the most infamous scene I know this series - which to my knowledge is the one people are talking about here - it turned out to be about half a dozen panels in a single chapter. Out of 50+ chapters of 25-30 pages of ~4 panels, that's barely anything.

Honestly, this feels like an IT scenario - one truly questionable but rather short scene in a much longer work that (from what I read of it) would otherwise meet P5 standards, although it does toe the line overall more than IT does.

Correct me if I'm wrong - the character in question...does she say at one point that she could take any form she wanted but chooses the one she has because she likes to troll perverts, or something to that effect?

edited 30th Jul '12 2:50:37 AM by Willbyr

Something similar, yes.

I gave my input on the manga a while ago. The other scenes I've listed do have sexual connotations, so I wouldn't say it gets completely off the hook, but tdgoodrich covered the scene which I feel is probably the most dubious of the lot. In terms of "quantity" (the number of suggestive scenes involving said character), I definitely don't think it's primarily paedo-pandering. In terms of "quality" (the level of detail which said scenes are depicted), it's trickier, but the scene tdgoodrich mentions is probably as bad as it gets, and it never really reaches such levels again. So overall, I'm of the opinion that it's questionable, but not quite at the level of the things we're looking to cut.

As an aside: Taking the licensing issues of KnJ into account, if Omamori Himari was really that problematic in terms of paedo-pandering content, it would never have reached your shelves in the US. On the other hand, Eiken made it over, so... I guess there's no accounting for taste?

edited 30th Jul '12 5:12:04 AM by Pyrite

Well, if it's only that one scene, and the rest of the work is clean, then I guess it would be cool to keep (and clean).

Although, I do have to wonder what's the point of just giving that one girl nipples; I mean, if you gonna do that, then you might as well give every character nipples, otherwise it'll just come across as being played for fetishism...

Fair enough. Provisional angelhead, with condition of cleaning.

Umm, what I want to know is what justification there could possibly be to include such scenes in the first place?

"Little girl nipples" sounds conclusively damning to me in an erotic manga, which is what ecchi generally means, regardless of other content, or the proportional length of the scene compared to the full material. "Only contains 1% pedophilia" isn't a very sound argument for keeping something on board.

If your best argument for keeping it comes down to "it isn't primarily pedo-pandering", then it needs cutting.

Different standards then us. The writer and the artist might not have found it quite as distasteful as we do.

Eroticism is a bit broader then just "Does it contain tits y/n". And there's a version of Omamori Himari 's anime out there that censors the "little girl nipples".

edited 30th Jul '12 12:35:48 PM by Raidouthe21st

Well, this is a Shounen ecchi series. I didn't think there'd be argument as to why she has nipples, fanservice, the problem is whether that little fanservice dooms the whole work.

Look, shonen generally gets more leniency with fanservice of younger characters. It's not an instant angel vote, but it is a factor. Also, presence of censored versions also can (and usually, if not always) will mean an angel vote, at least from me. I have also stated that my angel vote is on condition of cleaning.

The crunchyroll version (i.e. what is available in the US) is censored. So in fact, no one sees the nipples of any children in that version. It seems to fit the 'clean version' exemption.

Yeah, I think the original Japanese TV airing was censored and the DVD release was uncensored. It looks like Crunchyroll is using the censored version.

... Works for me. Giving this the third angelhead, on the condition that it's cleaned free of any prurient writing concerning that certain scene. Is there anything else that we oughta do with this?

Not that I can think of. Let's lock this sucker.

Resolved. Locking.