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Misused: Arc Words get usage counts

Other way around, Leaper. The misuse keeps the name Arc Words, the original trope is the one getting the new name.
 52 Septimus Heap, Thu, 6th Jun '13 11:17:53 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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We still need a description for this trope, and then manpower for the wicks.

Enigmatic Arc Words?
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 54 Another Duck, Thu, 6th Jun '13 7:51:00 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
Description for the new trope as it's misused, I believe, which stays on the current page. The Enigmatic Arc Words trope is what Arc Words is supposed to be, and what the description already says. That needs to be moved to a new page.

I tried writing a bit of a description, but I didn't get very far. However, I wonder if part of the current description can be "moved" (that is, remain on the page of the new trope), as it would apply to both tropes.

Arc Words are a thematic phrase encountered many times during a story or an arc of a longer story. The words sum up the meaning of the arc, or highlight a theme within it.

Enigmatic Arc Words is a subtrope where the meaning of the words isn't explained until late.
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 55 Willbyr, Sat, 8th Jun '13 8:36:25 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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9:1 in favour of Enigmatic Arc Words. No alternative names have been proposed.
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This has gained only one new vote since the last post.

Short draft of a possible revised description:

Arc Words are a thematic phrase or set of words encountered several times during a story or an arc of a longer story, but outside the arc they are not encountered at all or only sparingly. The words serve to bring a sort of unity to the arc, and are usually encountered independently of any specific character or situation. However, they must carry some sort of dramatic or storytelling purpose.

Arc words can serve several different purposes in a story. They can help to reinforce a theme, or be used for humorous or stylistic effect. In some cases they can be nonsense [note: unsure about this sentence]. In the case where the meaning of of the words pose a mystery but are explained late in the arc, it's a case of Enigmatic Arc Words.

Compare Catch Phrase (a phrase frequently used by a character or a group), Sharephrase (similar to a catchphrase, but used by several characters), Ironic Echo, and Meaningful Echo.

 59 Rethkir, Wed, 28th Aug '13 3:31:11 PM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
Looks like we have a clear winner here.

 61 Willbyr, Mon, 23rd Sep '13 5:56:22 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Calling this one.
It looks like the main thing left to do is to generate a description for the new Arc Words (though @58 is a good start) and figure out which examples can stay.

edited 23rd Sep '13 1:11:31 PM by Leaper

 63 Willbyr, Wed, 23rd Oct '13 4:17:39 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Clock is set.
Is moving the page all that is needed, or does the description have to be rewritten?

We should be able to get away with just changing the description, since the new page can go through YKTTW without additional TRS input.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 66 Septimus Heap, Wed, 23rd Oct '13 10:52:24 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Technically, it's a transplant that's happening.

 67 Willbyr, Thu, 31st Oct '13 5:55:33 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Has any progress been made on this?
We need to remove the parts of the description that restrict it to mysterious examples.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
...Which I have just done. How's it look?

I'd kind of like to change the page quote and/or image so it isn't relying so heavily on that one example, but no replacements jump to mind.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 70 Willbyr, Sat, 9th Nov '13 7:21:04 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
[up] Agreed. The "All this has happened before and will happen again" line from the new Battlestar Galactica seems to work.

EDIT: The description looks good, and now I'm questioning the validity of my quote suggestion since I have no idea if it actually qualifies (and don't spoil it for me one way or the other).

edited 9th Nov '13 7:22:45 AM by Willbyr

So, what does need to be done?

Should we run both the new Arc Words and Enigmatic Arc Words through YKTTW, or need we only run Arc Words through YKTTW, and making the transplant to Enigmatic Arc Words automatically?

Broadening the description of the current Arc Words is probably bad; better to wait until we have both trope pages up.

Enigmatic Arc Words needs YKTTW'ing and can harvest examples from the existing page. Arc Words was already treated broadly enough that it probably doesn't need any more seeding, unless moving the examples to the subtrope leaves it nearly blank.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
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Alternative Titles: Arc Words
8th Jun '13 3:28:22 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
Previous crowner decided to repurpose Arc Words into the literal meaning it was misused for and to transplant the current trope to a new name. This crowner is for deciding which name to use for the current trope.
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