Nightmare Fuel cleanup

The fact that the title didn't work at staving off misuse. And pretty badly no.

Also, nobody's going to slice your head off because you add these "surreal" examples as long as they meet the Nightmare Fuel criteria:

1. Contestations or natter will be zapped on sight
2. Explain what is the Nightmare Fuel. Anything insufficient will go to discussion until it's improved.
3. No first-person. Period. And no Troper Tales either - they will also go to discussion.
4. No links on main pages, other than in descriptions.

In fact, it's even easier to find those examples now, in my experience - instead of being spread across different pages for both Accidental Nightmare Fuel and High Octane Nightmare Fuel, with dozens of tiny NF pages for every individual series haphazardly linked across the wiki, now they're all relatively consolidated in one place for convenience.

Actually, I have read through the current nightmare fuel page and didn't find anything usable. That'd be why I'm griping in the first place. I've now turned to archive.org and found exactly what I needed on a 2011 snapshot.

See, here's the thing; I'm working on a Cracked pitch about excessively disturbing puppets from children's television, and I already included every single one I was aware of, but they want me to double the examples if they're going to consider it further. That means finding examples I've never personally heard of before, and the only way I could think to do so would have been to read a few pages worth of T Vtropes natter.

Real freelance money that I really need is on the line here, so it's just rather disappointing that the one time T Vtropes could have helped me as a serious, important research source, I had to go use the wayback machine.

I can understand why you would do it, sure, because T Vtropes has long been the butt of jokes for the tropers who constantly miss the point and bloat pages with weird, barely relevant gibberish, but I thought there'd at least be some sort of YMMV dumping ground I could look through, and there wasn't one of those either.

I even tried that Kindertrauma site, and they don't have a comprehensive list either...

Everything through "Ge" is now cleaned. Progress is slow, but it's being made.

And now down through the H's. Hooray!

Done through the I's.

We also need to keep an eye on letters already done, since some tropers are unwittingly pumping Nightmare Fuel back into them. A-I, O, and X-Z have had their major cleanings, but it couldn't hurt for someone to go back through and double check.

edited 31st May '13 10:58:32 PM by Doryna

Which form of bad wicks? The misplaced ones?

Also, I'll pull Accidental Nightmare Fuel through a cleanup of the wicks.

Also, for the interested, the old HONF wick list.

edited 1st Jun '13 6:42:59 AM by SeptimusHeap

I think tropers still unaware of the Nightmare Fuel rules are putting them into new articles in those letters or unwittingly back on to already-cleaned pages. I know the count went up by about fifty when I came back from vacation this past weekend. Some of them are legitimate NF page / YMMV uses, but it can't hurt to skim pages occasionally to make sure they're proper wicks.

J & K are now clear.

Some people are going through the big pages of this, which I respect; I'm just pumping my way through many smaller pages.

edited 15th Jun '13 8:32:24 PM by HarleyQuinnhyenaholic

Hey, help is help, big or small. And help is always appreciated.

I feel like most of the YMMV pages where nightmare fuel is mentioned aren't needed either. They give weak or opinionated examples, or there's three or four of them so they could use a real NF page, and some just link straight to the NF page.

Also there's a buncha-muncha-cruncha them that say 'the whole thing' which is hardly YMMV.

edited 16th Jun '13 8:51:43 AM by HarleyQuinnhyenaholic

Indeed. It probably couldn't hurt to go through and fix them as well or note ZeroContextExamples. Just removing them would probably be okay, too, as long as you left a proper edit reason, I imagine? Am I correct in thinking so?

edited 16th Jun '13 9:36:37 PM by Doryna

Yeah, really the only thing they link to is the Nightmare Fuel page explaining it, which really is explained by saying two words - it's scary.

I think it wound up like this was because a lot of people don't know how to add sub-pages.

I'm gonna leave edit reasons though now - I'm afraid I often forget.

edited 17th Jun '13 7:25:47 AM by HarleyQuinnhyenaholic

I don't remember the subpages being better, just FTR.

Well they're not better - but they are neater.

Now finished through the L's. And yeah, while most of the new ones are going on YMMV pages or are correctly invoked, there are a few in the already cleared letters that are slipping back through.

I've been temporarily suspended for not mentioning this cleanup as the reason for my edits.

I still maintain that saying 'The whole plot' is not a good reason to mention Nightmare Fuel in YMMV - not only is it not helpful to anybody, you'd hope that in a horror or thriller, there's plenty of Nightmare Fuel without it needing to be YMMV.

I'm still lurking on this thread. Every once in a while, I'll find a reference to HONF and delete it.

Which brings me to something I noticed on certain works pages: On the side listing subpages, it still lists a HONF subpage, but if you click on it, you get redirected to the proper NF page. I was wondering if this is in any way damaging to our cleanup effort, and if so, how can we change it?

I've just gotten back, I'm doing a few of these. I sure hope I've got editing with a reason right.

Ever so much of this Nightmare Fuel stuff for YMMV isn't just YMMV, it's like "Look at all of Episode 394578!" or something like "All of it!" or "That is all!"

Or it's "Now has its own page - link"

In some good cases there's enough of it that you can make a new page.

But this is a fair-sized cleanup.

edited 5th Jul '13 6:35:05 AM by HarleyQuinnhyenaholic

While traipsing around these pages, I've also seen "Crowning" "Fridge" and "Tearjerker" examples. Obviously they require cleaning up too, since they too have a tag of their own.

edited 5th Jul '13 6:36:44 AM by HarleyQuinnhyenaholic

Glad to have you back, Harley. Just take your time. I don't get to work on these for ages occasionally due to real-life intruding, so don't worry about being speedy. Just make everything comprehensible.

Ouch...numbers are climbing again. Anyone with time to spare care to lend a hand?

To expand on the notes above for those who aren't sure (and as best I understand it):

A single Nightmare Fuel wick is allowed on:

• YMMV pages.
• Any Nightmare Fuel subpage. (Duh)
• In the trope description.^note That's the top paragraph bit above the examples, for those not sure.
• WMG pages.

They should definitely not appear in:

• The Examples Lists of any main or works pages, potholed or otherwise.^note There is a small case for in-universe examples, but these aren't very common; if you must, make absolutely sure it fits the definition first. Or ask here. Asking questions is good.
• Non-Nightmare Fuel Crowners pages.
• Useful Notes or similar fact-based pages.

High Octane Nightmare Fuel, with a few very rare exceptions (about 7 we know of right now) is to be edited away with extreme prejudice.

Mods or other Tropers more in the know, please correct me if I've gotten anything wrong with the above.

edited 5th Sep '13 8:41:20 PM by Doryna

I would not list Nightmare Fuel anywhere on a main work page.

Nightmare Fuel is a YMMV trope, which means it goes on the YMMV page.