The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

Despite what anyone's views on this may be, it's still not exactly a classy move to refer to someone else as a horrible pervert when that person can't even log in anymore to defend himself.

Cutting material is one thing, throwing personal insults despite what we may think about others is a whole another matter. Especially when no one here knows a single thing about what the others do or don't in their personal lives when they aren't sitting at a computer keyboard.

I don't believe he was referring to Darkenning in particular there NDC. It was a hypothetical. X person may be Y but that does not automatically make their work Z automatically cut worthy.

edited 13th May '12 10:45:14 AM by Arha

Argh. I should have said "No matter what the author's actual inclinations are, we should judge based on what they wrote"

That's what I meant, but probably not what I said. BTW I'm a woman.

edited 13th May '12 10:45:40 AM by animeg3282

@Mazz: Having seen how some of the boys at my high school are, I'm inclined to think the opposite. They generally prefer their fellow students to older women, primarily because they can actually be in a relationship with them instead of wishful thinking of being with the older women.

edited 13th May '12 10:45:29 AM by strawberryflavored

Japan seems to prefer them younger in general. Older women tend to have the Christmas Cake stigma attached to them. Another cultural difference.

Japan fetishizes cuteness and subservience, I believe. It's part of the reason why they sexualize such young girls and passive women so much. The culture itself largely disapproves of the former but, well, that only goes so far when it comes to escapism.

Still, doesn't really matter at this point.

edited 13th May '12 11:01:44 AM by Arha

I know many of my classmates watched Sailor Moon for the "hot girls in sailor clothes". However, at age fourteen, they aren't going to admit they watch girls' shows. I don't think the whole "they prefer older women" applies so much, at least not when it comes to shows.

Done with last ep. of Mitsudomoe *

Verdict: Borderline

Recommended course of action: Keep, but clean

Pro:

• Shonen
• Series is not always sexual humor
• Usually fairly clean (with regards to sexual content, Toilet Humor is another matter)

Con:

• Lots of age-inappropriate sexual humor
• Still some underage fanservice
• Nonexistent plot

While I don't think this is cutworthy, the zero-pedo-tolerance policy makes it difficult to argue taking no action. If it stays clean, it can stay, but zap any pro-pedo entries on the page on sight.

Edited for formatting

edited 13th May '12 11:53:36 AM by tdgoodrich1

Most likely.

And hilariously enough, I said once before that under TV Tropes' current rules, Decadent Habits should be cut. I consider it a waste, but my personal opinion doesn't matter here.

Wait, lack of plot is a factor on if a series stays or not? Lack of plot has nothing to do with inadequacy of a work for a younger public.

The general rule of thumb is if the intended primary purpose is to titillate, not protect the poor innocent eyes of children. If a story cannot work without its explicit content, it better have a good reason why not.

It doesn't matter how appropriate for a younger public it is (for cutting, at least), but only the plot-to-porn ratio and the presence of paedopandering.

edited 13th May '12 11:21:15 AM by SeptimusHeap

Else Lucky Star and any number of gag series would be in trouble.

edited 13th May '12 11:21:49 AM by SCMof2814

The plot to porn ratio helps us determine what is just mature subject matter and what's porn. Like our favorite ASOIAF is filled with grisly sex scenes, but because that's maybe 30 pages in a 500 page book, we can safely say it's fine for the wiki. If it was 400 pages of sex scenes and 100 pages of plot, we'd have eyebrows being raised.

Sorry! I'm not good at explaining! They'll know it when they see it!

edited 13th May '12 11:25:53 AM by animeg3282

... Sometimes I get the feeling we're playing Calvinball here, no offense.

Since I seem to remember a very big deal was made about this being in a very large part to keep the site accesible to all group ages when this all started.

edited 13th May '12 11:27:26 AM by NapoleonDeCheese

As I have said elsewhere, I'm just posting what P5 might find relevant.

No, only 13+. Remember that younger people shouldn't be on the 'Net.

Also, the work's suitability is rather disconnected from our page's suitability for <people>.

Not a big difference.

edited 13th May '12 11:30:54 AM by SeptimusHeap

NDC: Well, we're going for porn, but we're not simply hitting anything with explicit sex in it. If we were, Sengoku Rance and Shuffle would not have passed. As a basic guideline, think of how much you talk about a work without mentioning the sex. The more you have to say about it, the less likely it is to be cut. There are exception in either direction with pedo stuff getting essentially no tolerance and stuff that's condemning sexual abuse getting a pass, but that's the gist of it.

The basic idea behind this is that we don't want to promote pedophilia nor do we wish to index pornography. What constitutes pornography is incredibly subjective, hence this forum.

edited 13th May '12 11:30:37 AM by Arha

13 is a teenager, not a child.

Ah, I see.

Depending on the culture. Around here, for instance, you might call a 13 years old a child, although not really at 14.

edited 13th May '12 11:32:26 AM by NapoleonDeCheese

Me too. When I talk about a group of 13 year olds, I say 'the children' Like 'the children better stop cutting through my garden'

Me too, though I generally prefer the term "teenage kids."