Content Policy Change

The reason Lolita and Black Bird were nuked was because of the slope fallacy and miscommunication. So let's stop it and see how it goes.

@Arcades Sabboth That is understood, but this may eventually seep into the Mod discussion. As has been said, this is a new and developing situation that may or may not change with time.

EDIT: Nice to The Fast Man being mindful of this.

edited 17th Apr '12 1:29:42 PM by RogueLeader

One of the major criteria we used to recruit people for the 5P squad was their ability to look at things objectively and not be swayed by slippery slope arguments.

Black Bird has been restored.

If "plotting to expand the purge" means the people who were cutlisting things like Romeo And Juliet, those people do not have mod support and they are the reason why premature cutlisting was a bannable offence. Facetious cutlistings will also result in bans.

I was actually talking more about stuff that isn't porn but is more extreme than normal PG-13 fare, like torture porn flicks such as SAW and Hostel and titles with lots of gorn.

I suppose that SAW and Hostel, given that they're filmed with more mainstream audiences in mind, wouldn't be so bad as some of the other torture films, so...

edited 17th Apr '12 1:40:00 PM by EarlOfSandvich

Horror films like SAW get shown in mainstream theaters, right? I mean, you don't have to go to "adult only" cinemas to see them. If the MPAA says they can get shown at the Regal Cinemas, then I see no reason why they'd need to get cut from this wiki, although the articles themselves need to remain tasteful.

Yes. Porn Without Plot is something we can get rid of, whether it be traditional porn, pedoshit, torture porn, whatever.

edited 17th Apr '12 1:38:44 PM by Fighteer

Ah, OK. Yes, Fighteer did say flag torture porn (without plot) already.

edited 17th Apr '12 1:37:28 PM by ArcadesSabboth

In general, if it gets shown in mainstream US theatres or scheduled for mainstream US television broadcast, assume it's OK.

What about works that you have be an adult to view in America/other countries but are filmed with Mainstream audiences in mind in Other Countries/America?

I believe that we have to go by American standards.

Probably case-by-case.

Can you give an example?

@whale: Depends on whether said countries' ratings policies are similar to America's. For example, we've been discussing how Japan has much looser standards when it comes to children. That's one of the reasons we're having to do this, because people are taking that as permission to list works that would never make it past American watchdogs.

edited 17th Apr '12 1:40:13 PM by Fighteer

Seems reasonable enough, but these are the types of things that have yet to be worked out. it should also be noted that this includes indie films and uncut versions of the above mentioned films that are too extreme for American theaters. Also, you can include European films, like Sex and Lucia.

Not just American watchdogs. Some works would not make it in Europe either. I believe our standard is mostly Western, to put it broadly.

Problem is, there is no universal western standard.

Which is why we now have a panel.

I'm not sure what precisely Japanese standards are, but as I understand it, the adult anime fandom is more of a subculture than representative of the Japanese mainstream, and the really bizarre stuff is not regarded as any more acceptable over there than in the West. A lot of bullshit gets stated about Japanese attitudes to sexuality online, so it can be hard to discern how much of it is genuine and how much is mistaken or exaggerated.

@Bobby G

Stuff that violates the no Swastika ruling is the only thing I can think of that could be okay for mainstream US audiences and that is banned in another country

edit:

Well in Europe, violence tends to be rated worse than for sex IIRC.

edited 17th Apr '12 1:47:32 PM by whaleofyournightmare

I think that standards about sex and nudity are also different the other way around, but it's not my expertise.

Yes.

edited 17th Apr '12 1:47:15 PM by SeptimusHeap

Will tropes cut also be reviewed by the 5P?

@whale: Only if you limit your search to "western" countries. Many countries, particularly in and around the Middle East, have content laws that would make the Hays Code look promiscuous.

edited 17th Apr '12 1:47:32 PM by Fighteer

@whale It should also be noted that Europeans are more open about sex and allow sexuality into their films that would not make it to a mainstream american audience. And the Euros in return are much more strict on violence than we are in America.

edited 17th Apr '12 1:49:11 PM by RogueLeader

OK, well, I don't think we need to worry about Swastikas.

In most cases, I think the differences in Western standards are sufficiently slight that they shouldn't present a problem.