Batman General Discussion

So, what are some of the best escapes that Batman has had? Because he seems to have a pattern of getting into a sticky situation and needing to escape a Death Trap before finally defeating the villain.

In Final Crisis Batman escaped an alien mind-wipe machine by weaponizing his own memories and shooting Darkseid with a psychic time-travel bullet. It was awesome.

edited 12th May '17 4:51:10 PM by Cuber

I liked in Justice League: The Animated Series when he drove a telepathic enemy nuts with an earworm song.

If you want to see a really nuts old-school Death Trap, Steve Englehart's "The Primal Riddle" sported a very impressive one in its last chapter.

The rest of the story isn't very good (or even comprehensible), but that part in itself is probably the closest Riddler's ever come to killing Batman.

Batman has a way of making escaping certain death look effortless:

So I feel like Swamp Thing really embarrassed himself this last issue of Batman. I mean, that ending seemed pointlessly brutal and demeaning for everyone.

Stephanie is really annoying me.

no but you see its batman who is wrong and be disabling stuff to call him, and working with villains to be a vigilante she is saving lives

And what do you call allying with Anarky? Steph says it herself, her priorities are all over the place, Cass went through worse than she did in the last arc and still came out an ally of Bruce

I already said working with villains. Steph is just a brat acting out because her bf died. I hope when tim comes back he dumps her for being an idiot

I'm more annoyed with people he story as I know it will end with Steph proven wrong just like anyone who criticises superheroes

It's fine to criticize superheroes. it's not fine to do so while acting just like them, stopping others from helping. and working with villains. context man

Well it's typical for people who criticise superheroes to end up being villains or hypocrites. That's what bugs me about this story

well yes because most people who criticize heroes are anti-heroes who think heroes don't go far enough or villains. not many normal civies in dc hate their heroes. you want that go to marvel

Again my point. Why can't the person criticising the heroes be be written as a sane, rational person whose points are valid? If the writers are just going to demonise the person making this argument why bother at all?

I don't think Steph is being demonized. I think that she's being shown as someone who isn't really sure what she wants, and is just trying to do things her own way. Like it was said in the issue, she's not a hero, but she definitely isn't a villain.

Like LEGO movie Batman before character development?

Agreed. The level of anger being directed at Steph from a lot of readers is just ridiculous. I honestly don't understand those who say she's being whiny/bratty/annoying/whatever. Hypocritical, absolutely. But that's kind of the point, and she does seem to realize it on some small level.

edited 25th May '17 11:03:12 PM by caivu

Readers were angry with Damian for being an arrogant little punk.

Well, he is/was an arrogant little punk! In order for Character Development, you have to have a starting point to develop from.

@windleopard - that's something I'd love to see as well, but with the massive stakes DC (and Marvel) puts even its most 'street-level' heroes through, I'm afraid it's just not possible.

As things stand, your average superhero isn't just a beat cop in a funny suit. He (or she) will probably have singlehandedly saved at least a hundred civilians in the last month alone, because The Main Characters Do Everything and comics these days hate admitting there's such as a thing as a Harmless Villain. Oh, you think you have some valid (in-universe) arguments against superheroes? That's nice, Batman is the sole reason Ra's al-Ghul hasn't murdered human civilization several times over already. Guess who the audience is more inclined to sympathize with?

Of course Batman's also the reason the Joker exists depending on the continuity

The problem with any kind of argument against super-heroics, regardless of how valid it may be, is that people read super-hero comics to see super-heroes. It seems counter productive to argue about possible negative ramification of super-heroing, regardless of how cogent or well reasoned, when super-heroing is what your audience has plunked down their money to see.

Don't tell us. Tell the writers

The Batfamily is too big.

Nonsense, they're the best part of the bat-books.