LGBTQ+ Rights and Religion

Denomination, not an individual Church.

Pretty sure the MCC is a denomination. We have a branch in a nearby town. I'd go if it weren't for that whole agnostic thing.

a lot of European Denomination are split on it, but I think that the anti-ssm side is winning. here is a list of views held by varies groups.

http://tinyurl.com/3y8g4s

fixed.

edited 17th Jun '13 9:11:50 AM by lonesomepaire

Ah my mistake.

I see.

there are lot more than I though there would be,honestly.

See? And, spot where most of the Antis can be found... <_<

America: keeping crazys out of Europe since 1629.

And, exporting craziness to Africa... because the poor "savages" need to learn how to do it right.

Hey, that part's been pretty recent. Up till recent decades there was quite enough trouble from European colonies and internal pissing matches.

Apartheid is "recent decades", then? OK. So, it wasn't extensively modelled on the Southern States and started in pencil pre-WWII at all, then. <_< To be finally inked in once the fuss had calmed down (but roughly when the civil rights movement made all of it Stateside start to be pressured). Granted, some of the roots are older (and shared, actually) with the Colony across the way.

And, the Pentecostals and Baptists started shipping over their crazy preachers even before WWI as a means of getting in good with God by educating the heathen masses on how inferior they all were — the little twerps (the preachers, not the masses). <_<

Compare and contrast: Apartheid: the parallels and differences are fun to note.

edited 17th Jun '13 1:00:49 PM by Euodiachloris

I'm pretty willing to call anything that happened after WWII "recent decades" if comparing it to the centuries prior, but fair enough on the background.

edited 17th Jun '13 12:58:19 PM by Pykrete

The United Church of Christ approves of gay marriage, but it doesn't believe in enforcing its opinions on individual congregations. I believe most UCC churches preform gay marriage, though.

Episcopalians as well, the largest and highest-profile denomination to approve it.

The founder of Exodus International, a conversion therapy organisation, has issued a formal apology for the harm caused and the whole skidoodle is shutting down. Second article includes the quote “For quite some time we’ve been imprisoned in a worldview that’s neither honoring toward our fellow human beings, nor biblical.”

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.

<falls over sideways in shock unsure whether to cheer or flop on the floor>

edited 20th Jun '13 6:56:15 AM by Euodiachloris

I'm not sure whether to be sad or indifferent that once again, people cave to pressure and the need to fit in.

It was an honor

That's really nice to hear. They finally are shutting down a harmful practice. Good for them.

Not like there aren't far more useful things to do, I.E. Sexual Therapy(about acceptance).

They caused obvious harm they should apologize. They may not have intended too force or repress kids into being straight, (doubt it. They are a straight camp after all) but you'd certainly expect a doctor to apologize if an experimental treatment actually caused harm wouldn't you?

Public shame and anger is a tool anyway. We can argue about whether or not it's right but what goes around comes around.

edited 20th Jun '13 8:19:32 AM by Wildcard

The thing is Card, they already apologized for misrepresenting what they could or couldn't do. They were wrong, they owned it (which is more than I can say for certain people on the other side).

But to just pack up and quit? Hey, if he/they genuinely feel that way, great. The number of ex-gays who exist would seem to indicate their statements that it's impossible to control one's sexual desires are.....inaccurate.

It was an honor

<level-look>

Do you seriously believe that about ex-gays, Max?

Give us a reason why they should exist now then.

They know they only exist to cause harm, and have admitted they caused harm. They clearly can't do anything useful as they are now.

There's nothing to work for when it comes to conversion therapy. They have to destroy what they already started if they ever want to actually make amends for the harm they caused. Apologizing isn't enough for ruining countless lives, Maxima. It's never enough.

They shouldn't have to be shamed into "controlling their sexual desires". But they did that, and helped perpetuate a culture that allowed gay people to be abused, (while the definition may be stretched I don't believe their is any room for argument that they did that). In turn they got shamed and pressured into submission.

"An eye for an eye" might make the world blind, but it still happens and needs too unfortunately.

Also the organization does not deserve to exist. It provides nothing but harm.

edited 20th Jun '13 8:29:07 AM by Wildcard

No, of course not. They're all just few thousand liars, maybe more, just saying it for shits and giggles.*

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Edit @Irene and Card - I'm aware you can't give back the years of someone's life. True. But as I've said before, I don't see what good comes of throwing out something that by all appearances can and should work simply because habitually it was misused in the past.

I mean, back in the Civil War, amputations and other surgical procedures killed more people than the battles. Where would we be if we discarded surgery altogether because it was misunderstood and handled badly before?

edited 20th Jun '13 8:31:09 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

It was an honor

You know, at first I was torn about whether or not to celebrate. Thinking about all the people who suffered because of Exodus and their "therapy" put me in a sour mood.

But after reading this crap, fuck it. *throws confetti*

Even if you believe that it gives ammo to anti-gay parents to support sending their kids to "therapy". The torture were using now must not continue to exist.

Max regular sex therapy can work without the torture. Plus show me one example of conversion therapy being recommended by a qualified psychiatrist or medical doctor. Until you can I hold the position that it doesn't deserve to exist.

edited 20th Jun '13 8:33:49 AM by Wildcard