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Recommend changes YKTTWGuidelines.:

At present, the page states:

  • "You don't need to go through YKTTW at all but it's recommended. It is a tool that is here to help make a good article, not the "Committee To Approve Articles."

I recommend that we change this to a mandate that trope pages must go through YKTTW and must spend a minimum of three days there.

The reason for this is that pages created in recent times without going through YKTTW have almost invariably been exceptionally bad in quality, in terms of the name, description, examples etc. Essentially what we get from such pages are things created by people that don't understand or have no interest in the collaborative process and the various rules and guidelines that govern what a trope page should be like. This reflects in their work.

The sole exception might be for pages created through the process of a TRS repair job on an existing page, and even then it has been customary more often then not to send tropes initially proposed in a TRS page to YKTTW for finishing and example gathering.

Terradorablyfying
I agree with you; when giving new pages types, I've seen several "tropes" with atrocious description, poor names, and exactly three examples.
Merge those duplicates! Fix that factual error! Delete that shoehorned non-example! You have the power! Meta Four
 3 lu 127, Wed, 28th Mar '12 6:13:14 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I think the greatest reason we don't make it mandatory to run through YKTTW to create a new page is because half the new pages created every day are redirects.

Either way, I agree changing the guidelines to mandate a YKTTW. There is no reason why a trope shouldn't have to run through YKTTW.

edited 28th Mar '12 6:13:25 AM by lu127

何も恐れる事わ無い
 4 Septimus Heap, Wed, 28th Mar '12 6:17:35 AM from Madrid, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I think that I would agree with this, other than TRS-mandated troping.

Dragon Writer
For starters, if you're attempting to edit an article that doesn't actually exist, it needs to display a prominent YKTTW notice (e.g: "If you're creating a new trope, please check with the YKTTW area first"). It doesn't necessarily have to block you from editing.

edited 28th Mar '12 8:18:31 AM by Stratadrake

 6 Septimus Heap, Wed, 28th Mar '12 8:20:09 AM from Madrid, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I think that some people have suggested to lock the /Main/ namespace against creating new pages there without YKTTW, but it would need some technique to allow the creation of redirects.

 7 Dragon Quest Z, Wed, 28th Mar '12 10:07:54 AM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
The problem is this would effectively block work pages. And don't tell me we can just mark it as a work to get around that, since some might do that and change the page type afterward.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
 8 Septimus Heap, Wed, 28th Mar '12 10:08:43 AM from Madrid, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I was talking of /Main/, and works don't go in /Main/.

 9 Dragon Quest Z, Wed, 28th Mar '12 10:32:05 AM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
That's a big change just for a relatively minor problem.
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 10 Septimus Heap, Wed, 28th Mar '12 10:40:44 AM from Madrid, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
It was suggested to enforce namespace segregation, not to enforce YKTTW. That's why.

Seeking for Light
I think we can change the guideline to state the YKKTW is mandatory for tropes (which is what this thread is about) without adding a technological change to enforce it. Discussing methods for enforcing rules about what goes on Main/ is a different topic.

On what Catbert suggested, I would also support making it a site rule/guideline that proposed tropes are required to go through YKTTW.

 12 Fighteer, Wed, 28th Mar '12 11:19:45 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
I've wanted and argued for this for ages. Along with locked namespaces so that you can't arbitrarily add a page to a namespace that doesn't exist yet.
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 13 Septimus Heap, Wed, 28th Mar '12 11:22:16 AM from Madrid, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
[up]I think both of these arguments are worth their own thread(s).

Also, making YKTTW mandatory would be a good idea.

edited 28th Mar '12 11:22:41 AM by SeptimusHeap

 14 Septimus Heap, Sun, 1st Apr '12 4:49:12 AM from Madrid, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Bump to get opinions on [up]

 15 Septimus Heap, Mon, 9th Apr '12 12:20:10 PM from Madrid, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Re-bumping, since someone just edited YKTTW Guidelines to remove all references to "YKTTW not obligatory".

 16 lu 127, Mon, 9th Apr '12 12:23:45 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
You really shouldn't do that when it's under discussion. Should I revert until we decide here?
何も恐れる事わ無い
I reverted it. A policy doesn't get changed by a simple edit.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
So what do we need to do? Vote on it?

I didn't even know about the existence of this thread, so don't call me villainous for having edited out the "not mandatory" stuff. I already got the point. =/
 
Dragon Writer
BTW, the form for creating (not editing, just creating) a new YKTTW needs to have individual checkboxes for the YKTTW tags (title, description, etc.). People aren't tagging their YKTTW's enough yet.
 21 Septimus Heap, Tue, 10th Apr '12 9:16:46 AM from Madrid, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
[up]There's another thread here for that.

someone
RE: That works and Main/ namespace thing

Works still get redirects there.
something
Dragon Writer
@21? Really? Which one?

Right now, on the YKTTW listing I see exactly five (out of 50) YKTTW's with any tags whatsoever. Of the remaining 45, I see fifteen that are tagged the old-fashioned way.

edited 10th Apr '12 9:42:21 AM by Stratadrake

 24 Septimus Heap, Tue, 10th Apr '12 9:42:06 AM from Madrid, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
[up]This one

[up][up]These both warrant their own threads.

 25 Septimus Heap, Tue, 10th Apr '12 1:13:47 PM from Madrid, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Also, should we vote on such a policy or would it just be drama bait?

Single Proposition: Mandatory YKTTW
14th Apr '12 3:34:08 AM
Vote up for yes, down for no.
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