Recommend changes YKTTWGuidelines.:

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At present, the page states:

  • "You don't need to go through YKTTW at all but it's recommended. It is a tool that is here to help make a good article, not the "Committee To Approve Articles."

I recommend that we change this to a mandate that trope pages must go through YKTTW and must spend a minimum of three days there.

The reason for this is that pages created in recent times without going through YKTTW have almost invariably been exceptionally bad in quality, in terms of the name, description, examples etc. Essentially what we get from such pages are things created by people that don't understand or have no interest in the collaborative process and the various rules and guidelines that govern what a trope page should be like. This reflects in their work.

The sole exception might be for pages created through the process of a TRS repair job on an existing page, and even then it has been customary more often then not to send tropes initially proposed in a TRS page to YKTTW for finishing and example gathering.
In uffish thought
I agree with you; when giving new pages types, I've seen several "tropes" with atrocious description, poor names, and exactly three examples.
3 lu12728th Mar 2012 06:13:14 AM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I think the greatest reason we don't make it mandatory to run through YKTTW to create a new page is because half the new pages created every day are redirects.

Either way, I agree changing the guidelines to mandate a YKTTW. There is no reason why a trope shouldn't have to run through YKTTW.

edited 28th Mar '12 6:13:25 AM by lu127

4 SeptimusHeap28th Mar 2012 06:17:35 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
I think that I would agree with this, other than TRS-mandated troping.

Dragon Writer
For starters, if you're attempting to edit an article that doesn't actually exist, it needs to display a prominent YKTTW notice (e.g: "If you're creating a new trope, please check with the YKTTW area first"). It doesn't necessarily have to block you from editing.

edited 28th Mar '12 8:18:31 AM by Stratadrake

6 SeptimusHeap28th Mar 2012 08:20:09 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
I think that some people have suggested to lock the /Main/ namespace against creating new pages there without YKTTW, but it would need some technique to allow the creation of redirects.
7 DragonQuestZ28th Mar 2012 10:07:54 AM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
The problem is this would effectively block work pages. And don't tell me we can just mark it as a work to get around that, since some might do that and change the page type afterward.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
8 SeptimusHeap28th Mar 2012 10:08:43 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
I was talking of /Main/, and works don't go in /Main/.
9 DragonQuestZ28th Mar 2012 10:32:05 AM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
That's a big change just for a relatively minor problem.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
10 SeptimusHeap28th Mar 2012 10:40:44 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
It was suggested to enforce namespace segregation, not to enforce YKTTW. That's why.
Seeking for Light
I think we can change the guideline to state the YKKTW is mandatory for tropes (which is what this thread is about) without adding a technological change to enforce it. Discussing methods for enforcing rules about what goes on Main/ is a different topic.

On what Catbert suggested, I would also support making it a site rule/guideline that proposed tropes are required to go through YKTTW.
12 Fighteer28th Mar 2012 11:19:45 AM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
I've wanted and argued for this for ages. Along with locked namespaces so that you can't arbitrarily add a page to a namespace that doesn't exist yet.
13 SeptimusHeap28th Mar 2012 11:22:16 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
[up]I think both of these arguments are worth their own thread(s).

Also, making YKTTW mandatory would be a good idea.

edited 28th Mar '12 11:22:41 AM by SeptimusHeap

14 SeptimusHeap1st Apr 2012 04:49:12 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Bump to get opinions on [up]
15 SeptimusHeap9th Apr 2012 12:20:10 PM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Re-bumping, since someone just edited YKTTW Guidelines to remove all references to "YKTTW not obligatory".
16 lu1279th Apr 2012 12:23:45 PM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
You really shouldn't do that when it's under discussion. Should I revert until we decide here?
I reverted it. A policy doesn't get changed by a simple edit.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
So what do we need to do? Vote on it?
I didn't even know about the existence of this thread, so don't call me villainous for having edited out the "not mandatory" stuff. I already got the point. =/
Dragon Writer
BTW, the form for creating (not editing, just creating) a new YKTTW needs to have individual checkboxes for the YKTTW tags (title, description, etc.). People aren't tagging their YKTTW's enough yet.
21 SeptimusHeap10th Apr 2012 09:16:46 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
[up]There's another thread here for that.
someone
RE: That works and Main/ namespace thing

Works still get redirects there.
something
Dragon Writer
@21? Really? Which one?

Right now, on the YKTTW listing I see exactly five (out of 50) YKTTW's with any tags whatsoever. Of the remaining 45, I see fifteen that are tagged the old-fashioned way.

edited 10th Apr '12 9:42:21 AM by Stratadrake

24 SeptimusHeap10th Apr 2012 09:42:06 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
[up]This one

[up][up]These both warrant their own threads.
25 SeptimusHeap10th Apr 2012 01:13:47 PM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Also, should we vote on such a policy or would it just be drama bait?

Single Proposition: Mandatory YKTTW
14th Apr '12 3:34:08 AM
Vote up for yes, down for no.
At issue:

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