In uffish thought
I agree with you; when giving new pages types, I've seen several "tropes" with atrocious description, poor names, and exactly three examples.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
I think the greatest reason we don't make it mandatory to run through YKTTW to create a new page is because half the new pages created every day are redirects.
Either way, I agree changing the guidelines to mandate a YKTTW. There is no reason why a trope shouldn't have to run through YKTTW.
edited 28th Mar '12 6:13:25 AM by lu127
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
I think that I would agree with this, other than TRS-mandated troping.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Dragon Writer
For starters, if you're attempting to edit an article that doesn't actually exist, it needs to display a prominent YKTTW notice (e.g: "If you're creating a new trope, please check with the YKTTW area first"). It doesn't necessarily have to block you from editing.
edited 28th Mar '12 8:18:31 AM by Stratadrake
An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
I think that some people have suggested to lock the /Main/ namespace against creating new pages there without YKTTW, but it would need some technique to allow the creation of redirects.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The Other Troper
The problem is this would effectively block work pages. And don't tell me we can just mark it as a work to get around that, since some might do that and change the page type afterward.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
I was talking of /Main/, and works don't go in /Main/.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The Other Troper
That's a big change just for a relatively minor problem.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
It was suggested to enforce namespace segregation, not to enforce YKTTW. That's why.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I think we can change the guideline to state the YKKTW is mandatory for tropes (which is what this thread is about) without adding a technological change to enforce it. Discussing methods for enforcing rules about what goes on Main/ is a different topic.
On what Catbert suggested, I would also support making it a site rule/guideline that proposed tropes are required to go through YKTTW.
Lost in Space
I've wanted and argued for this for ages. Along with locked namespaces so that you can't arbitrarily add a page to a namespace that doesn't exist yet.
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I think both of these arguments are worth their own thread(s).
Also, making YKTTW mandatory would be a good idea.
edited 28th Mar '12 11:22:41 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Bump to get opinions on
Re-bumping, since someone just edited YKTTW Guidelines to remove all references to "YKTTW not obligatory".
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanYou really shouldn't do that when it's under discussion. Should I revert until we decide here?
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
I reverted it. A policy doesn't get changed by a simple edit.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
So what do we need to do? Vote on it?
I didn't even know about the existence of this thread, so don't call me villainous for having edited out the "not mandatory" stuff. I already got the point. =/
Dragon Writer
There's another thread here for that.
someone
RE: That works and Main/ namespace thing
Works still get redirects there.
something
Dragon Writer
@21? Really? Which one?
Right now, on the YKTTW listing I see exactly five (out of 50) YKTTW's with any tags whatsoever. Of the remaining 45, I see fifteen that are tagged the old-fashioned way.
edited 10th Apr '12 9:42:21 AM by Stratadrake
An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
These both warrant their own threads.
Also, should we vote on such a policy or would it just be drama bait?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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At present, the page states:
I recommend that we change this to a mandate that trope pages must go through YKTTW and must spend a minimum of three days there.
The reason for this is that pages created in recent times without going through YKTTW have almost invariably been exceptionally bad in quality, in terms of the name, description, examples etc. Essentially what we get from such pages are things created by people that don't understand or have no interest in the collaborative process and the various rules and guidelines that govern what a trope page should be like. This reflects in their work.
The sole exception might be for pages created through the process of a TRS repair job on an existing page, and even then it has been customary more often then not to send tropes initially proposed in a TRS page to YKTTW for finishing and example gathering.