Manga/Dragon Ball

A couple of questions about DB that I need a memory-refresh on:

• Is Pilaf actually legitimate "Emperor" of anything, or does he just call himself that?
• How much do we learn of the Demon World in DB? Dabura apparently was its ruler before joining Babidi, and earlier, in the anime, Goku actually went there and met another of its bigshots, Shula. It's apparently not the same as Hell, either. So, what's its deal?

Celltzer.

All indications are that Pilaf is "Emperor" of a nation consisting entirely of a single castle and two subjects, Mai and Shuu. There aren't actually nations in Dragon Ball, because the entire world is united under a single ruler as a consequence of someone, long ago, making a wish on the Dragon Balls for world domination.

The demon world that Dabura comes from is never actually depicted in the series. Both the demon world Goku visits in the anime and any time you ever see Hell are filler. Neither appeared in the manga^LISTEN Although the danger of landing in Hell was mentioned when Goku began his run on Snake Way, he did not fall off, and the run was entirely uneventful. "Frieza and Cell in Hell" scenes are also 100% filler, and it's actually probable that both had their souls purified and were then reincarnated, as Piccolo mentions will likely happen to Majin Vegeta after he dies, and as actually DID happen to Buu. and so are likely unconnected to Dabura. Honestly, it's not even entirely clear that Dabura's supposed to be from a demon world, as opposed to merely being the (much stronger) Frieza of another dimension; strongest warrior of a different universe somewhere.

edited 24th Sep '14 7:03:07 PM by TobiasDrake

Thanks! Did not know every appearance of Hell was filler, though I did know most were.

Though, I thought Buu was purified by Goku's wish?

Yes and no. As Kid Buu was dying, Goku commented that he hopes Buu returns as a better person so they can fight again. King Enma hears this and decides to reward Goku by allowing Buu to reincarnate as a morally upstanding human being, with all of his power intact.

How much of that was standard procedure and how much was Enma's manipulation is unknown, but Piccolo's testimony to Vegeta suggests that the "purify your soul and put you back into reincarnation if you were an utter shithead in life" part is normal.

It's also not clear how reincarnation and resurrection can coexist in the setting, though I suppose it's possible that if you try to rez someone who's already reincarnated, the dragon might just refuse; we've never seen an attempt to resurrect someone who's been dead for very long, especially if you ignore those characters who were permitted to keep their bodies and, therefore, probably won't be reincarnated at all.

edited 24th Sep '14 7:18:03 PM by TobiasDrake

Thank you very much. So Toriyama himself never gave us any insight into Hell.

Well there's a one year limit on how long you have to revive someone, so for most, reviving someone who'd been dead hella long is impossible.

And after a while The Z Warriors started receiving special privileges such as keeping their bodies (so they could train in the afterlife, and this is ignoring that they often expect to be revived).

We'll likely never know if you can revive someone who's already been reincarnated, though I would assume that you can't.

I'm pretty sure that one-year limit only applies to Shenron's mass-revivals.

Not positive, though.

edited 24th Sep '14 8:43:55 PM by TobiasDrake

If Android 17 and Hellfighter 17 equals Super 17, what would Perfect Cell and Cell-X equal?

Exacta!

Video with special attacks. This contains moves from Master Roshi and Nam. I think they're probably for created characters though, like how Ultimate Tenkaichi let the created characters use moves from characters not in the game.

edited 25th Sep '14 1:28:21 AM by Saiga

Here comes the Legendary Super Saiyan... 4...

Don't ya need to learn moves from a mentor?

There could be multiple ways of unlocking moves, with mentors being used for the main ones only.

There's multiple demon worlds if you wanna get technical. It's mentioned by a different name every time it's brought up until around the Buu Arc.

Legitimately the worst thing ever.

edited 25th Sep '14 11:19:28 PM by Cruherrx

Easily the best thing ever.

Hardly the most relevant thing ever.

Winner, Rob.

there aren't multiple worlds, just different names. And they're all just longer versions of Demon World, like "Demon World of Darkness".

I'm not sure if any of ya noticed, but here's a couple of datamining vids came out with more info on Xenoverse:

This vid is about some the items found in the beta.

This vid is about the shit-ton of costume sets and accessories found in the beta.

More hints to unannounced characters, with hints to the GT Trunks, Parapara Bros, Spike the Devil Man, Bandages, Chi-Chi, Arale and more!

edited 29th Sep '14 11:35:09 AM by Rinsankajugin

I said if you wanna get technical. Fight me to the death, Saiga.

Hey Saiga, I've got a question for you. Is it possible for someone to use the Dragon Balls to become a Saiyan, or is Shenron incapable of doing that?

So, that question found it's way here eh?

I've seen the argument on the Naruto boards, and was coming to ask myself.

Interested in seeing the answer.

Like I said over in the Naruto thread, Shenron in DBO is just giving Super Saiyan to humans who already have Saiyan DNA.

So there's no official evidence of it. The fact that he couldn't turn 18 and 17 into humans doesn't necessarily mean he can't, as long as the human is wesker than him or consents to it.

Since there're hints to giant characters in the game, ya think they'd give Saiyan and Namekian created characters the option to go Oozaru and Great Namek respectively? It'd be pretty neat if so, especially if they have their Super Saiyan and Super Namek forms in conjunction with them as well.

I'd imagine that if you can wish to be immortal, you can wish to be a Namekian or a Saiyan or a Frieza's Race-ian, etc. I can't see that wish being harder to grant than immortality of all things, which requires a LOT of physiological changes in how your body functions in order to become conceivable.

Wishing for someone ELSE to become a Saiyan, Namekian, Guldo's Race-ian, Yamcha, etc. would probably require consent or for the target to be weaker than Shenron, however.

Wesker is already pretty much a Super Saiyan.

Oh right. I forgot about the consent part. I think that was part of the reason (the other part being that Goku was obviously stronger) that Shenron couldn't bring Goku to Earth like they wanted.

So technically doesn't that mean it is possible; I mean, if they are weaker, or allow it to happen, then it should be. And in theory, if the person making the wish (to be Super Saiyan or say, to be immortal) is stronger, than the wish could still be done because by making the wish they are giving consent.

Then again, there's also the part about not granting wishes that exceed the Kami's power, and considering what Shenron could do when Kami was split in half (and was able to grant an extra wish after Dende became Kami) you have to wonder what else Namekians can do.