Manga/Dragon Ball

I think the implication was that SSG is more of a magical type of power-up, hence why he was able to mix the two.

I still plan to wait for the US theatrical release before seeing it. It's in just a couple weeks, y'know.

He had the same problem with SS 1 but to a lesser degree. Theoretically if he practiced he might end up with a Full Power Super Saiyan 3.

But he's not going to, because Toriyama said so.

There's someone I want you to revive.

And before people freak out and say "Broly", there's no way that could happen. That would be major violation of the rules of the Dragon Balls considering that even if you somehow fit the events of Broly into the main timeline, judging from when this movie is taking place, he's been dead for years. So he isn't coming back.

...

THANK GOD!

But it does raise a huge question... who exactly is being brought back to life? It has to be someone that has died within the last year and a significant character.

Hmmm...

Any guesses?

As I understand it, both the Earth Balls and the Namekian Balls are bound by the one year limit for revivals correct?

This does make you wonder who it could be? It's implied that the revival is someone very bad, and someone who died only recently.

How much time has passed between since Buu was beaten in Battle of the Gods.

Buu didn't die in BOG, though. He got the shit beaten out of him like everyone else.

I'm expecting a new character.

edited 24th Jul '14 9:10:11 PM by TobiasDrake

Oh I meant, How much time has it been since Kid Buu was beaten in the series?

He's quite possibly the only one who'd qualify, since only six months passed when they made the wish to make everyone forget about Fat Buu.

Then again, it's unlikely that only six months has passed since the entirety of the Buu arc.

Actually, about the Super Saiyan God form, Goku never used 100% of that form's power before the transformation wore off and even when he started going all out as a Super Saiyan afterwards, he wasn't actually at the same level of power he was as a Super Saiyan God since the form he was in at that point was just using the leftover bit of God's power. This is pretty much supported by the fact that he was still capable of transforming into a Super Saiyan God near the end, without gaining a massive boost that would have allowed him to destroy Beerus's last attack instead of only being able to absorb it; plus, I always assumed that the 70% thing was just referring to the highest amount of power that Beerus was using at any one point during that fight.

That also makes sense. He still retained some power because he never used all of it. Like the residual power left in a battery.

In the final moments when he had to deflect that attack, he was able to draw out the last bit of it that he hadn't fully used up.

Random Thought; Maybe it's because Flow isn't singing it, but Kokoro No Hane is just ridiculously out of place. I like it, but I don't think it fits Dragon Ball.

Also weird thought: Was trying to come up with an idea earlier for how to do a post-DBZ anime that takes place instead of GT. Big problem, of course, would be writing around Goku. Even if he's no longer the most powerful character in the setting, he's still in the top 3, and he's still The Hero, so he's always going to take the lead. UNLESS the villain of the series used the Dragonballs to wish him into some alternate dimension prison (and they made up some rule about how you can't use the balls to unwish a wish). That frees up the show for the focus to be on the other characters, AND adds an underlying subplot to the whole series about trying to free Goku.

Oh no, the lead character would take the lead!

....the horror?

I'm just thinking about how one of the big complaints against GT was that everyone was made to be incompetent because Goku had to be the strongest and HAD to be The Hero, making him the only character of any value. By removing Goku from the plot, you don't have to hamstring everyone to make him the only one important because it forces EVERYONE ELSE to be important, instead. And, well, you can't make the villain so strong that he can kill Goku, because in that case he can kill the rest of the cast, and either way, it'd just be the same old same old Power Level Arms Race. And on top of that, death is meaningless in Dragon Ball, so they could just gather the balls, wish Goku back, and then all kill the bad guy together.

Uub was born at the moment Kid Buu was killed. So he's already back, although still an infant.

Personally, I don't really think Toriyama's going to remember the one year limit, especially since it's never actually been a plot point in the series (meaning that it's never actually hindered anything), just an offhand mention.

edited 25th Jul '14 2:56:15 AM by BaffleBlend

It's really easy. Goku gets taken out of commission a lot.

Also, being the lead doesn't mean shit if the intent is to focus on other characters. If the villain's way too strong/resourceful for him, being the hero isn't going to change it (unless we're leaving this to Toei OFC). He can be killed, trapped somewhere beyond the Dragon's power (so sealed by even a somewhat strong person would work), just plain useless, etc.

The problem with GT isn't that they couldn't focus less on Goku and more on others, it's that they deliberately went in the opposite direction. You can easily leave Goku in the plot and focus on others, GT was just trying to make it all about Goku.

Also, if you make a villain that can kill Goku, that doesn't mean they're stronger than the rest of the cast. Gotenks/Gohan are stronger, Oob can potentially be stronger as well. Wishing back Goku doesn't have to help, he might be just as useless alive as he is dead.

Besides, the Dragon Balls are fallible. The Dragons are laughably easy to kill, as are the current Namekians connected to them, and they have significant periods of downtime to them.

The one year limit on revival is for large groups. There's no such limit on individuals, so it's irrelevant to this wish.

edited 25th Jul '14 5:40:36 PM by Saiga

......

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!?

I thought that was for all revivals?!

Do you have any idea what this could mean if any one villain could be revived.....

No, wait. Most of the Z warriors are now stronger than them anyway.

Well, the Saiyan ones and Piccolo. And maybe 18 as well.

The villain they're going to revive is Cui.

I say it's the God of Destruction before Beerus that gets revived.

Yeah the further back you go in time the less threatening the villains get so it's unlikely to be any one we've already seen.

Huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue!

edited 25th Jul '14 9:11:40 PM by BaconManiac5000

Goku turns into a Super Saiyan in the trailer.

The revived villain will be Broly; Goku wants to: have a re-match with him, use his power to summon Super Saiyan God again, wants to help reignite the Saiyan race and doesn't expect himself or Vegeta, or Gohan, or Trunks to accomplish this.

Goku revives an ancient, never-before-seen God of Evil because he wants to punch it in the schnozz and make friends with it.

edited 25th Jul '14 10:15:38 PM by FOFD

So they can bring back any villain from anytime?

Please don't bring back Broly... Please don't bring back Broly... Please don't bring back Broly... Please don't bring back Broly... Please don't bring back Broly...

PLEASE. DON'T. BRING. BACK. BROLY!!!

edited 26th Jul '14 6:40:30 AM by FireShadow

Good to know I'm not the only one who's sick and tired of Broly.