Manga/Dragon Ball

You have an interesting definition of moving on. Generally, most people wouldn't define it as "trying to get the last word in".

And my wall-o-text is mostly related to another conversation. Besides, I don't see why you would fault someone for trying to adequately explain themselves, even if your modus operandi is to sling shit without backing it up.

@PMC

I don't care, I'm telling you to end this right now before this results in the mods coming in and thumping a bunch of posts.

And for the record, I agree with much of what Saiga is saying.

edited 30th Sep '16 7:14:57 PM by AdricDePsycho

I still think that the main reason why so many people hated GT was because it started off on the wrongest foot it could.

Really, how could GT ever be anything but a massive failure in the USA with its intro?

Whose idea was this!?

Keep in mind, GT was more popular in the West than it ever was in Japan.

Hell, one of the more prolific posters on Kanzenshuu is a native Japanese poster, and by their testimony GT outright killed the franchise in Japan before Western interest revived it.

edited 30th Sep '16 7:21:21 PM by Saiga

Didn't they also release the dubs of the later episodes first because they didn't think the earlier ones would sell?

I moved on, as in I contributed to the conversation after this one, a desperate attempt to change the topic as it was.

Look, I've calmed down. I still have a problem with the way you do things, but I'm willing to drop this and move on if you are.

Honestly, kind of just remembered it happening like that, my bad.

Again, I'm the guy who watched GT in the original Japanese...when I was like 10-12...when I couldn't understand anything that was being said. That's how much I love this franchise.

GT's Rap was awesome though, no disrespect...

There's also a full version of that rap.

That's good to know, things are great.

Yeah, they started it on M2, which is where the more Z like plotting starts.

I remember seeing that as a kid, as well as them releasing the "lost" episodes later. I think they actually did the transition fairly well, with a cold open and Pan flashing back to a cliff notes version of what happened before.

I don't like that kind of meddling but they may have made the right decision, the transition from Z is less jarring that way and the first arc of GT has a really confusing tone. They really didn't seem to know much they wanted to go back to DB until they settled on just continuing the Z style.

edited 30th Sep '16 7:33:02 PM by Saiga

They probably tried to have both OG and Z's styles in GT at one point or another.

Not Pan, Kakarrot flashes back...

Yeah, that's what I mean by the first few episodes. Like they were trying to be like the early episodes of DB, but they'd toss in some Z-esque fights in every now and then.

You're right, Goku flashes back.

edited 30th Sep '16 7:45:36 PM by Saiga

A newt?

GT was very popular in South America and indeed beloved like the rest of the series. Anime in general is very popular in South America, which makes it weird that the major networks that show animated shows have refused to show Anime for so long. Cartoon Network was the most baffling with its handling of its big name anime, but then again, Cartoon Network is the network that got rid of cartoons at one point...

Glad I wasn't around for all that stuff :V

So, GT is...meh

... But yeah, Toyble is probably the luckiest DB fan out there.

Also, how 'bout them Dragon Ball Fusions?

EDIT: The new villain of Super DBH has a name...◊

Mechikabura, Towa and Dabura's grandfather.

Also, Towa's got her new form.◊

edited 1st Oct '16 1:23:09 AM by Rinsankajugin

OH MY GOD, HE'S ANOTHER CINDERELLA REFERENCE!

This, however, is that part where I have to disagree with you Jonnas. Mostly because I believe it's a very easily fixed flaw, and as said earlier is either a product of lazy or incompetent writing that allows these scenes to happen. They're unnecessary, and they take me right out of it by knowing that they happened for no real reason.

Fair enough. I think it's easy to overlook if used in small doses (weaker characters landing a few good blows when fighting stronger opponents, for example), and Super has been employing it much better than in the past, but when it's used badly, it's pretty jarring (case in point, the films. Android 13 is an obvious example, but the Bojack film has the worst use of the "holding back for no reason" stuff)

It's just that it's a common complaint I often see, but I think it's a minor thing, most of the time. For example, a lot of people say GT sucked because power levels are inconsistent... but inconsistent power levels is the least of GT's flaws.

A'ight, so the plot of the latest Super DBH chapter is Towa and Mira using collected energy and the dragon balls to revive Mechikabura, which they do. Unfortunately, he's in an elder state, so he wants them to find the dragon balls again to pull a King Piccolo on himself. In the meanwhile, Mechikabura gives Towa special demon god powers similar to Demigra, which makes her Demon Goddess Towa.

Did y'all expect this or is this a twist?

edited 1st Oct '16 2:48:40 PM by Rinsankajugin

Looks like this episode we're getting a heaping of Multiverse Theory rubbing it in Beerus' face, though because of the leaked episode titles, we're not getting clear answers about just HOW Black came about until maybe another week.

Remember kids, Temporal Universes (like the timeline Trunks comes from) are different from Spatial Universes (places one can just visit directly, like U7 and U6)! It's easy to confuse things, and it looks like gods like Beerus aren't too different in that regard!

While GT definitely has much bigger flaws, it is also particularly bad about that consistency.

Why did they get only one wish?

I dunno, spin-off logic.

I mean, nothing in this franchise really has that much consistency; even OG Dragon Ball had that whole thing about the Dragon Balls being usable again after 8 months after the first use of them when Goku went looking for them after his first tournament.