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Here's the situation: After the Libyan Civil war, Gaddafi's vast arsenal was spread all over North Africa. Since January, Tuaregs, some local and some remnants of Gaddafi's Army, have launched a secessionist rebellion in the north of the country, with some success (they've captured and held a few cities in the area). This is a continuation of a series of revolts that have gone on in the last fifty years since colonialism ended in the continent. The last one ended in 2008 after Colonel Gaddafi brokered a peace. With him dead, that peace went with it.
This was already reported in the Arab Spring thread, but now the chaos in that country has just spread: Soldiers, complaining of having not been given the resources necessary to put down this Tuareg rebellion, have now revolted. The government says its "merely" a mutiny, but people in Bamako, the Malian capital, believe its either a coup or the beginnings of a civil war.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/soldiers-angry-about-rebellion-cut-off-state-tv-radio-in-mali-fire-guns-into-air-in-capital/2012/03/21/gIQAZRO4RS_story.htmledited 21st Mar '12 8:18:40 PM by FFShinra Final Fantasy and Bollywood? BRILLIANT!
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The insurgency was originally about Azawad separatism. More than 80% (IIRC) of the population of Mali live in the Southern half on the country. Azawad, which is the North of the country and mostly (if not entirely) in the Sahara. On the face of it, it seems as if that region is hardly worth anything, though of course there are many reasons that it's important for the rest of Mali that they keep united even if I don't know about it.
One argument against Azawad independence that I can come up with right now is that the separatist movements wants to unite the whole region or Azawad into a single, independent country, and their territorial claims cover many other countries than Mali - so if the Northern half of Mali were to become independent, considering that the separatists are apparently militaristic, they might want to use violence to get the rest of the area they claim. That'd be hell for stability and it would constitute yet another bloody war in this poor continent.
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edited 22nd Mar '12 10:40:36 AM by FFShinra Final Fantasy and Bollywood? BRILLIANT!
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Down the line they might, but for now they're focusing on northern Mali.
Speaking of, the chaos of the coup has, not surprisingly, given a window of opportunity to the rebels. The Army has retreated to Gao (see map) as they solidify their power, and so rebels are making a very large advance southward and taking control of the abandoned encampments and small villages.
It will be only a matter of time before they begin to threaten one of the three regional capitals (Timbuktu, Gao, and Kidal).
EDIT - Speaking of Kidal, it seems Taureg rebels have now cut off the town from the south. They haven't taken Kidal itself, but it seems rather eminent.
edited 22nd Mar '12 7:16:28 PM by FFShinra Final Fantasy and Bollywood? BRILLIANT!
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I can understand the reasoning the junta had by suspending the constitution (its a necessary step in any coup unless there is legislation that allows for emergency powers), but WHY would they dissolve all institutions?!
Nevermind that launching a coup in the middle of a war because the putchists want it to go better makes no damned sense, but when you have an army of just 7, 000 men (and if you add in paramilitaries and gendarmerie, it goes only to about 15, 000), that isn't enough to replace the civil service wholesale.
This is first truely amateurish coup I've seen occuring within my own lifetime. Oy.
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In the last hour, State Television went offline and back online. Might have been an attempt at a countercoup. Reports are also coming in that the radio is down.
Things are getting interesting.
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[1]edited 23rd Mar '12 1:16:50 PM by FFShinra Final Fantasy and Bollywood? BRILLIANT!
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Time Magazine is reporting the Tuareg are about to overrun Kidal. The Malian Army has retreated to Gao, so that still leaves Timbuktu open for the taking.
Meanwhile, in Bamako, its becoming increasingly clear the putschists don't really understand what they are doing. No one is following their orders, the soldiers are looting (particularly fuel), and the international community as a whole has condemned the coup and will not support the amateurs. There are rumors of a countercoup underway.
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Well. There have been Lieutenants as coup leaders, I think, but still... a Captain as coup leader. That's pathetic all in itself.
The foreign ministers of Kenya, Tunisia and Zimbabwe were all in Bamako at the time of the coup and have been unable to leave.
Yeah... the hell?
This is indeed just madness. Messy, idiotic, anarchic.
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Eh. Colonels make sense. After all, African military forces are mostly very small, so Colonels will be among the most high ranking people, actually. Plus, generals are often political(ly influenced) appointments. But Captains and lower is just insane... why are people even following them, including what must be higher ranks than that?
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If he won over the rank and file with a promise of ending the rebellion they are fighting and increasing their pay than I could see him taking over through sheer numbers; though I doubt he can consolidate his position. Anyone above him can just be placed under house arrest. This was probably a rush job, started out as a soldier's riot and then got exploited. Hence the whole anarchy of the entire thing.
Do any foreign countries has any motivation to have backed this guy?
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GSPC? I heard of AQIM and the MNLA, but GSPC? What is it?
As for how a Captain could actually launch such an insurrection, it seems from all reports its really just the military base in Gao and the barracks at Kita that consists of this. Any and all other military facilities are in question as to who controls them, and at least one of those bases is still loyal to the president. My guess he was influential enough to get the boys in Kita on his side (or already formally commanded them) and simply called the rank and file in Gao who had already mutinied that he'd handle everything. Of course, that's only good enough to get through stage one, as the dear Captain is learning the hard way....
Also, all the major political parties over there have condemned the coup (sensible enough since they just got robbed of the ability to have an election in a month's time...). The leaders have all gone into hiding after one of them was arrested though. It seems there are proposals for non-cooperation with Sanogo's men. [1]edited 24th Mar '12 10:48:22 PM by FFShinra Final Fantasy and Bollywood? BRILLIANT!
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