TV Tropes Org

Forums

Projects: Short Term:
MLP: Fi M Subpages Cleanup:
search forum titles
google site search
Total posts: [191]  1 ...  3  4  5  6  7
8

MLP: FiM Subpages Cleanup: get usage counts

I'm going to sort through some natter and things that most likely fit somewhere else/ are based on assumptions over on heartwarming.

EDIT: I'm going to need some help. A lot of the stuff on Heartwarming is more "that's nice" or "that's cute" or "someone did a good thing". I think there has to be something more than that- doing something unexpected. A lot of Pinkie's parties are on there, and parties are one one of her main characteristics.

edited 22nd Jun '12 11:53:27 AM by SenshiSun

[up] Exactly, and that's what was supposed to be implied by the phrase "crowning moment of heartwarming." Changing it to "heartwarming moments" was a bad idea IMO; it's way too broad, and diminishes the mentions of the exceptionally heartwarming moments.

Perhas it could be limited to the most heartwarming, and maybe second-most, per episode?

edited 22nd Jun '12 12:00:35 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

"I even like the idea of a nice man who sees me when I'm sleeping and knows when I'm awake. And that man is Barack Obama." - Bill Maher
 178 emeriin, Fri, 22nd Jun '12 12:03:56 PM Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Heartwarming is too subjective for that. What might trigger something in me won't necessarily make another fan feel the same.
I cut up one dozen new men and you will die somewhat, again and again.
[up] Which is why it should be less about audience reaction and more about apparent intent. To use Griffon The Brush Off as an example, Rainbow Dash standing up for the other ponies at the party seems to be more of an example than little things like Pinkie refusing to prank Fluttershy. (Which seems to be more of a way for the show to tell us how sensitive Fluttershy is anyway, while the RD example is more closely connected to the episode's message.)

Of course, stuff like "it looks so cute when Pinkie rolls in the grass" is obviously misuse either way.
"I even like the idea of a nice man who sees me when I'm sleeping and knows when I'm awake. And that man is Barack Obama." - Bill Maher
 180 osias, Sat, 23rd Jun '12 7:27:36 AM from Vitória, Capixabânia
[up] what he said

edited 23rd Jun '12 7:28:03 AM by osias

I scrapped the first season's cutesy-but-not-specifically-heartwarming moments just then. I'll scrap the second season's ones later on, perhaps this evening.

EDITED IN: I looked through the second season's entries, but I was often uncertain which to scrap. Examples like "X character cutely jumping for joy" or such blur the line between "heartwarming" and just "cutesy."

But in the process I noticed other problems plaguing the page. The entries are often poorly written, with stuff like "this troper" and apparent redundancy. (Sometimes two separate entries in the same episode's list seem to be referring to pretty much the same moments.)

Also, many of the examples are... subtle, to say the very least... they seem to be more along the lines of Fridge Heartwarming. * I'm not sure whether they should be left in the same sections, put in a separate folder, removed altogether, or whatever else.

That and the whole "diminishing mentions of significant examples with mentions of little ones" thing that was already pointed out.

Quite frankly, I think the most efficient way to clean this up is to scrap all the current entries (except maybe the miscellaneous ones) and start over. If we took that approach, I'd gladly try to help replace the old entries with better-written ones.

edited 23rd Jun '12 7:58:41 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

"I even like the idea of a nice man who sees me when I'm sleeping and knows when I'm awake. And that man is Barack Obama." - Bill Maher
...Seriously? Dude, you are seriously starting to creep me out with your extreme stances. Just accept that some people find certain scenes more heartwarming than you do and don't raise a scene over it. :/
[up] Except that some of them have more to do with being "cutesy" than being heartwarming.

Besides, many of the entries being poorly written is a problem independent of which examples are picked for entries.
"I even like the idea of a nice man who sees me when I'm sleeping and knows when I'm awake. And that man is Barack Obama." - Bill Maher
Still, your solution to this is, once again, to just cut everything. Not only is that a really bad idea, but it will almost certainly raise hell among the fans.
Still, your solution to this is, once again, to just cut everything.
Eeyup. Given the popularity of the show, it shouldn't take too long to replace the examples. Hell, I could even propose entries for each episode if we were to go with this.

Not only is that a really bad idea
In and of itself... why?

but it will almost certainly raise hell among the fans.
You're saying the fans will fly off the handle over the entries on one of the subpages of our MLP:FIM page being replaced for improvement?

Only some of the fans would. And quite frankly, I think if they'd fly off the handle at us using a method that seems more efficient given the current state of the page, that's their problem.
"I even like the idea of a nice man who sees me when I'm sleeping and knows when I'm awake. And that man is Barack Obama." - Bill Maher
 186 emeriin, Sun, 24th Jun '12 8:06:07 AM Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
But why specifically MLP? All the heartwarming pages are subjective, it'd be seen as a waste of time if you were to scrap them all and "start over properly".
I cut up one dozen new men and you will die somewhat, again and again.
[up] How the hell does "subjectiveness" address my points about bad writing? Not that I think it's enough to dismiss the points about substance either (would stuff like "Gilda must have shouted at Pinkie to test Rainbow Dash's loyalty to Pinkie, how heartwarming" have to be treated equally to the current entries?) but it's very obviously irrelevant to points about style, which we have clearer standards for.

Anyway, I focus on MLP in particular because it's such a popular show that its "heartwarming moments" page is going to get more views than most of such pages on the site. Many viewing the page get their first impression about how such pages are to be written based on it, so its bad substance and bad style are ultimately contagious to other pages on the site.
"I even like the idea of a nice man who sees me when I'm sleeping and knows when I'm awake. And that man is Barack Obama." - Bill Maher
 188 Morven, Sun, 24th Jun '12 12:04:41 PM from Seattle, WA, USA
With Mod Hat On
I don't see the need to zap all the examples just so you can only pick your favorites, Matt.
A brighter future for a darker age.
[up] There is nothing about "scrapping the entries" that inherently implies "not using the same examples." As I have repeatedly said, part of the problem is the writing. You don't want me to pick and choose, fine, but that's a reason for a rule about starting with the same examples that were used before, not a reason for rejecting the more general idea in its entirety.
"I even like the idea of a nice man who sees me when I'm sleeping and knows when I'm awake. And that man is Barack Obama." - Bill Maher
Bump; this thread has slipped behind over the past few days.

Anyway, I glanced over the other reactions pages (funny, awesome, etc.) and their entries seem to be better written than those of the "heartwarming moments" page.
"I even like the idea of a nice man who sees me when I'm sleeping and knows when I'm awake. And that man is Barack Obama." - Bill Maher
 191 d Roy, Mon, 8th Apr '13 3:51:29 PM Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Change of thoughts.

edited 8th Apr '13 4:42:12 PM by dRoy

"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."
The system doesn't know you right now, so no post button for you.
You need to Get Known to get one of those.
Total posts: 191
 1 ...  3  4  5  6  7
8


TV Tropes by TV Tropes Foundation, LLC is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License.
Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org.
Privacy Policy