MLP: FiM Subpages Cleanup:

Also want to add something: It's not because you CAN do something, that you WANT to.

Yes the show could make the Alcohol blatant. But the characters, while adults for the most part (Having jobs, homes, etc...) are specifically designed to be child-like. So kids will relate to them and see them as more like themselves than like adults. FIM is designed around this particular stylistic choice (and it's one of its main charms in my opinion). Sure, the writers could have the characters mention how they drink booze, but they choose not to so they can keep that child-like aspect to the world. So the alcohol's existence is merely glossed over as a stylistic choice.

Plus if Alcohol was a big deal, I don't think one of main character would be named after an alcoholic drink.

edited 15th Mar '12 11:48:28 AM by Ghilz

As long as we're on this subject, I wanted to note that every page on Recap.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic has, as of late, had its own Funny, Awesome, Tear Jerker, Fridge, etc. I can accept that somebody might want to review individual episodes, so those are okay, and the individual YMMV and Laconic pages also don't strike me as an issue, but do we really need to spread ourselves so thin that we have entries for given episodes in the overall work's Funny page and a Funny page for said given episode? That's never sat well with me.

I know it's got something to do with how the Page Type for each recap is "a work" instead of "a work's examples page", at the very least.

edited 15th Mar '12 1:48:24 PM by ShadowHog

We could go through and make them all redirect to the main moments page.

Though the main moments pages are themselves kind of a clusterfuck according to the OP. So there would be that issue to deal (or decide to not deal with) first.

The other alternative would be to merge them back into the main Funny page, set the recaps back to "work's examples", and link to the relevant YMMV and Reviews pages so people can continue to use them (they don't normally show up for work's examples). IIRC this is how it had been, until somewhat recently. (Well, the YMMV part, anyway. The reviews would be something new, but I think it'd be a good idea.)

edited 15th Mar '12 1:54:26 PM by ShadowHog

According to the summary of page types in the page type setting tool, Recap pages are still supposed to be listed as a work's example page.

Good lord you are serious taking the position that alcohol use, jokes, etc are considered broadly acceptable in the show. There is already evidence to the contrary.

We've seen it when one of the storyboard artists http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/09/sibsy-stops-by-eqd-irc.html chatted with Eq D]]:

->I LOVE berry punch

->omg

->in that one ep w/ her by the punch bowl

->she was supposed to burp

->but it never got thru

->hahah

->I always want to make her drunk

->stupid standards! lol

->I put her there on purpose

->I don't usually care which bg pony I use

->but in that case it was thought out.

->yea that was the reason I picked her out of the designs

->hee hee

->as soon as I saw the grapes, I was like..she's the drinker!

->I'm glad it caught on

->even though it kinda got cut out haha

So we have actual notes from the production side that its not considered acceptable. Obviously their not the only ones shows to get away with it, but that doesn't change it being a valid example.

edited 15th Mar '12 10:53:49 PM by gs

There we go. We have testimony from a storyboard artist that establishes that alcohol is off-limits for this show. The alcohol examples should be put back. Just because we may not consider alcohol a big deal does not make these not examples. We are not this show's target audience.

Remember that this trope is not about what we think should be considered crap, it's about what the radar considers crap, and different shows are subjected to different standards. The fact that The Adventures of Tintin got away with alcohol in 1991 does not in any way establish that Hasbro would allow alcohol on their My Little Pony cartoon in 2011. Those are two different shows made 20 years apart from each other by different companies for different audiences.

Also remember that this is a show that had to fight to keep the word "egghead". It's established that the radar for this particular show is set very low. You may think it's Orwellian, but sometimes the radar can be.

There's a difference between "Depicting Character as drunk" and "Depicting alcohol". I left Spike acting as drunk on the page. (Though it may have been removed since).

Some of the examples included mere wine bottles being shown

The famous Nevada brothel is called the BunnyRanch, btw.

Oh that entry maybe meant the Cherry Patch Ranch, which is not "one of the most famous..."

edited 18th Mar '12 4:25:56 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Yeah, I think that brothel thing is really reaching. It's more likely that no one but the person who wrote that entry saw any connection between them.

I will say that a quite a few people immediately latched on to Cherry as being a Brothel Madam stereotype, so it's not just one guy projecting. I have no idea how accurate that is because I'm not familiar with the stereotype, though.

I'm really not seeing the whole brothel thing either. I know a few fans have seen it, but I'm not seeing any reason not to take the character purely at face value. For it to be radar material there ought to be a clear subtext we can point to.

Guys. There's a thing called "Standards and Practices." It's the things a network doesn't allow on their shows.

Alcohol is one of those things in most cases, especially in kids shows. That's why Frothy Mugs of Water is a trope. The reason that alcohol is able to be in a G rated film is because the movie board has different standards, and even then it's rare to see.

Alcohol nods are Getting Crap Past the Radar. Please point out some TV-Y rated kids shows that openly have alcohol. Any.

The Adventures Of Tin Tin for one stars an alcoholic. The Tigger Movie which is G.

The Adventures Of Tin Tin is a PG rated movie. I don't remember The Tigger Movie having alcohol, and even then it's irrelevant as it's a movie, not a show.

The film is. The cartoon is rated Y.

Edit: Wait, you were talking about Tin Tin

• shrug* I dunno. I wouldn't know. Did that air in America? It maybe a case of Values Dissonence

edited 19th Mar '12 3:50:43 PM by MONEYMAN

Well, it's there so apparently you just didn't note it because it's actually not that unusual in a children's show.

It's coming from a different culture, is the problem. In America, alcohol is typically not in kids shows, and is most of the time taken out. It just... is.

Any other examples from kids shows from America?

edited 19th Mar '12 3:56:22 PM by MONEYMAN

Winnie The Pooh which has had numerous encounters with alcohol usage. Any Disney work for that matter.

Still movies. Still not shows.

Also, I hate to have to specify further, but I mean NOWADAYS whenever I say my thing. I thought that was kinda implied. Alcohol used to be OK, yes. Nowadays, values have shifted.

No, Disney has made a large number of TV shows. Almost all of them have featured alcohol to some degree. Even things on the Disney Channel right now rated Y have alcohol use in them. Disney only lets adults be seen on screen drinking in that age group, but they're allowed to drink.

MLP is actually stricter than most shows in it's age group in that it's one of the few that never outright acknowledges things as being alcohol. Disney Channel shows in the same age group will mention wine or have parents drinking what is obviously wine at dinner.

edited 19th Mar '12 4:14:17 PM by shimaspawn

Would you please name some, and some examples? And some proof too, if you have it. Also, don't confuse TV-G with TV-Y. TV-Y means for kids, TV-G means OK for a general group, and thus is a bit more lax, but not much.

Also keep in mind, this show has pretty dang low standards for offensiveness. Remember, there was trouble over someone calling someone egghead. This is My Little Pony, remember that.

edited 19th Mar '12 4:16:37 PM by MONEYMAN

All Disney Channel shows look the same to me, and I don't feel like digging up clips. You're mistaking overzealous parents groups for a radar though. They'll fuss about anything, but Moral Guardians are irrelevant for this trope.

In any case, I've given you a ton of proof and series examples, and you simply dismiss them. I've done enough to prove my point. The threshold is much higher than you think it is.

edited 19th Mar '12 4:17:54 PM by shimaspawn