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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#1: Feb 29th 2012 at 8:07:28 AM

Okay, so Mario has a pipe that warps him to level one. That's not a very good example. Unless you're familiar with the original SMB it's not even clear what the image means.

What we'd need is something like three identical passages, two of which kill you.

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#2: Feb 29th 2012 at 8:38:28 AM

Didn't we just have this discussion...?

I dunno, I think Mario has enough pop culture saturation that most people are familiar with warp zones. Add in how the current level is at the top of the screen, and is clearly larger than where the warp zone would take you...

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edited 29th Feb '12 8:43:12 AM by ShadowHog

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#3: Feb 29th 2012 at 8:40:33 AM

Motion to pull

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#4: Feb 29th 2012 at 9:27:56 AM

[up][up] The point is that the image shows "the place where you have screwed up". It doesn't show trial and error. Indeed, Super Mario Bros doesn't run on t&e gameplay.

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#5: Feb 29th 2012 at 9:39:16 AM

Wow, this could've been done in the old thread.

edited 29th Feb '12 9:39:42 AM by Willbyr

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#6: Feb 29th 2012 at 9:42:42 AM

[up][up] Super Mario Bros The Lost Levels kind of do, though. There are a lot of "gotcha" moments that its immediate predecessor and successor didn't have - this is one of them.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#7: Feb 29th 2012 at 10:08:05 AM

[up] "Kind of" means it's not a good example of the trope.

The gameplay of SMB:TLL relies on difficult jumps, lots of enemies, difficult jumps, time limits, difficult jumps, a low amount of lives, and difficult jumps. The gameplay is horrendously difficult, but it's fair and doesn't need "gotchas". This is not IWBTG, after all.

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TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
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#8: Mar 7th 2012 at 4:49:58 AM

Boomp.

I don't find this clear at all. Seconding the motion to pull, for what that's worth.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#9: Mar 7th 2012 at 6:41:43 AM

I watched a Let's Play for an amatuer RPG that had the worst method of Trial and Error gameplay I've ever seen. It was a series of "pick right or left" or "pick right, left, or up" choices, where if you picked the wrong one, you started all over from the beginning, cutscene included.

If I can find the video again or the game, would a selection of three screenshots from that work, you think?

And as an aside, the L Pers reaction after the 10th time he started over was classic (and hilarious) Angrish.

edited 7th Mar '12 6:42:07 AM by ccoa

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#10: Mar 7th 2012 at 6:47:23 AM

[up] That sounds like The Impossible Quiz with added cut scenes tongue

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#11: Mar 7th 2012 at 5:10:28 PM

Warp Zones that go backwards with a pit are a great example of Trial and Error Game play. The problem is not everyone may know they are looking at a warp zone that goes backwards.

I still think it can be kept until a better one is found since it is otherwise a good example.

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