World of Darkness (New & Old) - General Discussion Thread

... so ... technically a Chaos win? It's hard to tell since Chaos is its own worst enemy.

Oh, wait, no. oWOD is pretty hard to derail. The players probably get forced to watch some NPC's talk and then fight or something.

I'd like to know more about this Dark Hearcy cannon and its auditory munitions.

On a slightly more serious note, how could Dark Heresy be canon to your game exactly? It's more of a gameline and a setting. I guess there's a metaplot with the adventure supplements, maybe (haven't read them, don't want to get invested in 1.0 with 2.0 in development).

But that's a story for another time.

Really, is there anything Orks won't build a gun capable of shooting?

Hm. Due to their Clap Your Hands If You Believe nature, couldn't Orks make a surplus of Orky Prometheans? Then they could build a gun to shoot the Prometheans at their enemies, so now they have to fight a really tough sort of undead horror that can come back to life once guaranteed and spreads an aura of such loathing that they focus solely on killing the Promethean while the Orks advance to choppin' range.

Or just a gun that shoots mages, smug little gits that they are. Just like squigs.

But that's a story for another time.

At the point an Ork is too damaged to sew/weld back together there's probably not enough left to make a promethean.

Bear in mind that what a human would call "horrific mad science" orks call "routine surgery". Or "Rooteen surjeree" anyway.

edited 16th Jul '14 6:08:34 AM by Elfive

Can't Prometheans be made out of stone and toxic ooze and nanites and stuff? Are pieces of dead bodies necessary? They could be trying to build themselves' some Galatean Orkwives.

But that's a story for another time.

Oh, yeah, that might work. A Mekboy decides to stick a full set of ork prostheses together and the result is an unfleshed made of chainsaws.

...you people are giving me horrible, horrible ideas.

Keep it up.

If you meet me have some courtesy, have some sympathy, have some taste. Use all your well-learned politesse or I'll lay your soul to waste.

If da Doc is deliberately trying to go all demiurge, as I believe is generally the case, then Orky resilience isn't as muchh of a problem. He just has to not stick the head back on until after he's had the body torn apart by warp entities or buries it with a name of Mork or cuts it into thirteen pieces or what-have-you.

The main problem with a Promethean-gun that I see is keeping the ammo from being krumped for their obvious un-Orkiness until it's time for the battle.

Sayyy, the Changeling courts map fairly well to the big four Chaos gods. You've got the hedonism court, the wrath court, the knowledge-seeking court, and the hunker-down court.

That was originally presented as a paragraph in the Vampire: The Masquerade rulebook, then received a one-note reference in the FAQ section in the introduction chapter of Vampire: The Requiem. It didn't mean vampires were emotionally dead, it meant that since they lacked a living brain with neurotransmitters they would feel emotions by remembering the emotions they'd experienced in life when exposed to an appropriate emotional stimulus and could not form new emotional experiences. So a vampire whose only sexual experience in life was traumatic would remember that terror and pain every time they were in a sexual situation and would be unable to feel anything else.

Like many, many other things, this was poorly explained in the books and played a role in the intense hatred directed at Requiem.

In fact, in Blood and Smoke, that whole idea was jettisoned altogether. Vampire biology makes no sense without supernature anyway, so what does it matter if they don't have fully functional brains or not?

Same bit about no reflections; a vampire's face is never caught by a mirror or a recording device, but that's because circumstances constantly conspire to hide it unless Blush of Life goes up, not being blurred out. Lot less conspicuous, especially in the modern world.

Speaking of rules revisions, spoilers for what the Lie of the Exarchs in Fallen World Chronicles (the Mage rewrite) actually entails just went up on Onyx Path's blog.

What rises must fall, what falls may rise again.

That's gonna make things harder for Network 0.

Wait, so Sleepers can be driven insane by gazing at magic?

That's some Lovecraftian shit there. And it's awesome.

edited 17th Jul '14 4:39:45 AM by Frishman

If you meet me have some courtesy, have some sympathy, have some taste. Use all your well-learned politesse or I'll lay your soul to waste.

I actually liked the idea that vampires were limited to the emotions they felt in life. It hammered home the idea that vampirism is primarily a curse of undeath and stasis, not life and growth and change. The 1st edition awakening rulebook even had a section that implied telling muggles about magic actually weakened magic as a whole, which was unfortunately ignored thereafter.

edited 19th Jul '14 7:48:54 PM by Zenoseiya

I thought that was just the Guardians of the Veil Party line. The Free Council think pretty much the exact opposite.

I'm trying to map out my own nWoD cosmology. Any books that expand on the setting elements of the gamelines that you'd recommend taking a look at? Like the Book of the Dead supplement (already owned).

But that's a story for another time.

Book of Spirits, Astral Realms, Summoners (that's got some stuff on the supernal), Equinox Road (for Faerie), Intruders : Encounters with the Abyss, Inferno.

Also, good luck. They specifically tried to not make it make any sense.

It can if you push at it, though, and I've made a few stabs at it myself, so feel free to hit me up if you have any questions.

If you meet me have some courtesy, have some sympathy, have some taste. Use all your well-learned politesse or I'll lay your soul to waste.

That's a pretty good looking list. Thanks!

I fully intend to leave out the bits I don't like (like the Strix) and hammering whatever can't be tossed out entirely until it fits more with what I want. Won't be the kind of setting a lot of people would like to run the World of Darkness in, but other people have made settings I hate too, so it all evens out.

edited 22nd Jul '14 8:05:11 AM by AnSTH

But that's a story for another time.

I don't know why people give the Strix such a hard time. They're demonic smoke-owls who claim to have created vampires, been wronged by vampires, hate vampires, and love vampires.

They're pretty much as bugfuck crazy as any Methuselah or Antediluvian from oWoD, but I don't hear any complaints about those guys.

If you meet me have some courtesy, have some sympathy, have some taste. Use all your well-learned politesse or I'll lay your soul to waste.

Attempts at a complete cosmology always end up a bit mage-centric just because they stick their noses in everywhere. And because a bunch of the supernal realms have obvious counterparts in the supernatural realms like Stigia -> the Underworld and the Primal Wyld -> the Shadow and Arcadia -> Arcadia and so on.

edited 22nd Jul '14 8:54:42 AM by Elfive

Not to mention The Aether -> the God-Machine, since the Aether's Watchtower is supposed to consist almost entirely of gears and clockwork that run the fundamental forces of the universe.

If you meet me have some courtesy, have some sympathy, have some taste. Use all your well-learned politesse or I'll lay your soul to waste.

Oh, almost forgot one: If you really want to go crazy you can include the Shatter from mirrors.

It helps that the complications in the books read as if you're reading about the same thing, but from a different perspective.

My game world takes place in an aligned cosmology,fee free to ask me questions.

Basicly it's a case of all the realms were there and the splats used them, but then mages came and did watchtower stuff and gave them all stupid names.

A good question to start with is to ask yourself, do you want EVERYTHING to fit within the Mage interpretation, for the mage interpretation to just be a smaller part of a bigger cosmos, or for the Mage interpretation to be inaccurate.

Here's◊ a popular cosmos map popular for it's symmetry and simplicity (It's also rather pretty) mostly it's flavour one, but with a wee bit of flavour two.

(Oh, that image was uploaded through photo bucket, you probably want to save it if you want to keep it)

If you go full flavour one you get things like having to jam The God Machine or The Principal into Pandaemonium or some other realm(s) which can be really interesting to consider the implications of.

The setting I play in has gone so extremely flavour one (But keeping things interesting with flavour three and having the realms be widely different to how mage's understand them) that we have things like all Splats have watch towers (Which mages might have at some point graffiti'd their own names onto)

Another question to ask yourself is what divides these realms? Consider things like the hedge and the gauntlet and the abyss. In my game world the Gauntlet by default divides all realms, but the Abyss is a corruption of it that seeps through it and erodes at it's edges and eventually the worlds nestled within it. But, paths can be safely ploughed through the gauntlet, these include the Hedge and Avernian Gates.

edited 23rd Jul '14 2:31:18 AM by Whowho

first time to see this thread, so i will say this:

trying to add elemento of thr world of darkness to warhammer is a thing i always want to do, it a good thing that im not the only one

for me the comsology of the new world of darkness is not so fuck up as the old one, the layers of the umbra....ughhh

-Have anyone here read the deamons novels? in my opnion they are pretty good

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"