Street Fighter Vs. Mortal Kombat?

I seem to recall an interview with Ono where he explained why it wouldn't happen. But my Google skills are terrible, so I doubt I would be able to find it.

And there is the the plot of the game itself. It is not as though we play fighting games for plot as much as we care for the characters, their moves and how they fight anyway. Street Fighter has as much retcons as any comic book and Mortal Kombat has a ton of continity problems. Even the backstories of the cahracters themselves got retconned, Sagat killing Dan's father has something to with a joke about SNK when Sagat killed a man sporting a pink gi. If there ever was a crossover, what would be the plot of the game? And how will it come together?

What does that have to do with anything?

Coming up with a plot is the easiest thing to do for a crossover fighting game. The only thing it needs is a reason for the universes to come together and fight. Why do retcons in the Street Fighter canon matter to the story of a crossover, and why is Mortal Kombat's continuity an issue, especially when they literally just hit the reset button?

Hell, the easiest way to fuse the plots would to have the SF Universe take place in Earthrealm - crossovers tend to be their own canon, so no one would care - and then have the SF characters fight against (or try to team up with / [[Chronic Backstabbing Disorder double cross) Shao Kahn's attempt to take over the realms.

Throw the Psycho Drive in there somewhere and you've got a Big Bad Duumvirate.

Well, plot isn't exactly the biggest priority in crossovers, but GAP does have a point. Take a look at SFxT, for example. Although the whole "Pandora in Antarctica" thing is just a means to drive the plot and justify a gameplay element, you'll notice that most of the teams arranged and even the backstories of the Tekken side heavily rely on prior continuity. The in-universe reason should be somewhat feasible. I mean, I can't recall a lot of people liking the deeper nuances of THE RAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!! from vs. DCU. That being said, the MK universe alone has enough to create a story (such as Shao Kahn trying to incorporate the SF universe into Outworld). It really depends on the writers themselves.

Even though this game will never come to fruition, it'd still be nice to sling ideas about how the game could work. Personally, I'd want the game to be in the cartoony SFIV style. Combine that with Mortal Kombat's signature cartoony ultraviolence and it sounds like a blast, if you ask me.

But although I'd want the MK characters in the SF universe (what with all the realm-hopping in MK anyways), I'd want to see the darker characters of that series. I've compiled a short list of SF characters I could see in MK.

• Evil Ryu
• Violent Ken
• Shin Akuma/Oni
• Balrog
• Bison
• Vega
• Cody
• Juri
• Cammy
• Q
• Doctrine Dark
• Garuda
• Two Armed!Oro
• Netherrealm!Charlie
• Ingrid

edited 14th Feb '12 7:40:33 PM by IWasJustPassingBy

Cody? I know he punched Belger out of a window for hurting his Jessica, but he gives enough of a crap to not kill anyone else he's ever encountered since. I mean, it's not like he threatens to kill Bison or Seth. That's that whole "OOC" thing I was talking about.

Oh, and Charlie's not dead.

Ingrid, run!

edited 14th Feb '12 7:49:10 PM by X2X

Didn't the MK 9 thread put together a list on which SF and MK characters would be counterparts to each other? Like Ryu vs. Liu Kang, Johnny Cage vs. Fei Long, Dan vs. Reptile, etc; etc...

Sort of, but we never went and did finishers or other MK-specific stuff.

To be honest, I think that MK VS SF would probably work better with the World Warriors who normally wouldn't kill having a Brutality and a hidden Fatality as suggested earlier, while those unopposed to killing would have 2 Fatalities.

Heck, I could probably think of some Street Fighter fatalities right now!

I believe so... That was a long time ago, though.

Look, X. Lemme level with you here. Anyone who comes at you with a knife does not care about your life.

Secondly, Cody now only fights because he's bored. More powerful opponents = more exciting fights, yeah? It's the next logical step for him.

Charlie isn't dead, eh? Well then, I stand corrected. I just thought that it'd be cool (and because Guile wouldn't really work with MK).

@Dragon Geyser

A fair chunk of the "Ultra Combos" are Fatalities in their own right.

edited 14th Feb '12 8:24:10 PM by IWasJustPassingBy

No, Cody fights because he's addicted to it. He outright tells Guy that he's bored with all the fighting back in Alpha 3. He simply can't stop himself. He's not like Juri or even the few Spirited Competitors in the series; he doesn't derive pleasure from it. Cody stopped enjoying fighting a long time ago.

Still, he's never shown killing intent (aside from the whole "I punched Belger out of a window" scenario, which was more blind rage at seeing his girlfriend in danger, not to mention that Belger was stupid enough to be by the window in the first place). Ibuki uses kunai. By your logic, does that mean she's intending to kill her opponents as well?

And yeah, Charlie's still alive. He's confirmed to be the one who rescued Abel (which is why Abel is familiar with the Sonic Boom). He's presumably in hiding somewhere, although if the mercenary leader who took in Abel as well (which is unlikely), then he's dead.

edited 14th Feb '12 8:30:15 PM by X2X

So he's an addict? I just thought Cody stopped fighting for a cause and only did it now because it was all he had, being a fighting prodigy and all that.

And Ibuki, while being a ninja, is more concerned with getting a boyfriend and such. Had Ibuki showed anything other than contempt about being a ninja, I probably wouldn't have minded, but as she is, having her in MK would be too much of a stretch [[and MK has enough highly visible ninjas as is (even if Scorpion is the only real ninja in the series).]]

edited 14th Feb '12 8:54:44 PM by IWasJustPassingBy

I feel sorry for Cody, he spends half his life fighting but he can no longer enjoy it like he use to.

edited 14th Feb '12 8:54:01 PM by GAP

Yeah, pretty much. Got into random street fights and beat up some guy, was jailed, broke out some time later, and found out that he no longer enjoyed fighting. He still shows traces of his old personality, but he doesn't believe that he's a hero any more, despite more or less doing the same stuff he did before he was incarcerated.

My point was, you made the argument that since Cody has a knife he's immediately going to kill someone with it (despite the fact that it's merely a nod to how Cody was most proficient with knives in Final Fight). I made the rebuttal that Ibuki also carries weapons on her person (as do several other characters). It has nothing to do with Ibuki being a ninja or her personality/motives.

He saved the city, saved the girl, but he couldn't save himself...

edited 14th Feb '12 8:58:29 PM by X2X

Now I've been pondering constantly about SF-style supers and such for MK Characters.

Obviously, a lot of them would be their X-Rays and/or finishers (ones that can be converted to something non-lethal, that is) carried over, but I've also been thinking of supers based off of regular but awesome combos like this:

It wasn't an argument as it was an admittedly exaggerated statement that weapons (especially bladed ones) and the people that use them know how lethal they are and know that you're more likely to die than without them.

Also, I'd like to say that Ibuki's more... strategic with her weapons than Cody is, who simply uses them for damage. But considering her flechette storm specials in III and IV, I can't really say that. I just like her SA 3.

edited 14th Feb '12 9:12:44 PM by IWasJustPassingBy

I remember at least one video of MUGEN that showed Street Fighter-style Sub-Zero and Scorpion. The full match got taken down, but I'll look for the movie I saw that showed them.

• Citation Needed. Evidence that contradicts this statement◊, challenged articles may be removed--2012

The plot for this game is so easy it's practically Marvel vs Capcom's plot. There are two powerful characters fighting that land on Earth. One of bends the participants of the world warrior tournament to his will in an attempt to gain an advantage so the other calls on the heroes from the Mortal Kombat Earth to even the odds. Which boss you fight depends on whether or not you played as a good or evil character. Fatalities can be excused as the Street Fighter characters being brainwashed/corrupted/influenced by evil boss.

—Yoshinori Ono

Seriously, I don't understand why people who keep asking for a crossover can't get that.

And even worse in my opinion, the idea of them doing such things is incredibly dissonant. I don't care if you can justify it using some cheap, obviously Ass Pull excuse like they're brainwashed or THE RAAAAGE (note that even with the rage, MK vs DC didn't have Batman or Superman killing people), it just goes against the very nature of (most of) the characters and how they work to have them doing such things and be totally fine with it, and would totally warp what they were.

I don't want to use the term "disrespectful to the characters," but... yeah.

Which is why if this were to happen I'd prefer it to be in SF's style.

edited 15th Feb '12 5:12:28 PM by KnownUnknown

Why not this:

Fatalities for crossover made by Netherrealm Studios, while MK characters get super combos, some are X-Ray moves and some are fatalities, albeit the violence level reduced, like Scorpion's fire breath fatality for instance.

Dude, read the datestamps. This thread is old.

Anyone wanting to see how an actual Mortal Kombat vs Street Fighter would play out, go here.

EDIT: Or here.

edited 20th Oct '13 9:29:31 AM by HallowHawk