Rename: NEW CROWNER (Alt Titles 12-28-12): Asian Gal With White Guy

edited 7th Mar '12 1:34:43 AM by rodneyAnonymous

So you keep saying and so I've already demonstrated is false.

edited 7th Mar '12 1:34:53 AM by rodneyAnonymous

1. Me and several other independent sources on the internet and authorities on media.
2. Sure. Me Love You Long Time more closely fits this trope, though, as it's about a white-man-asian-woman relationship that is unequal. So far, MLYLT is the best name (in my opinion) which sums up that the woman is supposed to be: A) most likely uneducated B) most likely an immigrant (as indicated by thick accent) C) either submissive (as the dialogue suggest) and/or D) hypersexual (as the dialogue ALSO suggests).
3. So is Where da White Women At? and several other trope names. I still feel that we have to make exceptions sometimes, because that is occasionally the best way to be Clear Concise And Witty.

edited 7th Mar '12 1:35:07 AM by rodneyAnonymous

1. What is there to interpret? They outright said it.
2. No one said all asian sex workers. This trope is specifically an asian sex worker with a white guy. And even then "asian hooker" is a stereotype. Again, this is outright SAID. And in case that still isn't clear enough, here's another site that references it: http://anbmsource.com/node/592. And another: http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/stereotypes-about-east-asian-women/
3. Then let the crowner or a mod call it. That's their job.

edited 21st Feb '12 5:41:36 PM by KingZeal

edited 7th Mar '12 1:35:14 AM by rodneyAnonymous

1. Then show me some counter references. I am specifically sourcing examples where fans, media analysts, and writers are stating that an asian hooker in media is both a stereotype AND a trope in relation to their relationship with white men. So what's your counter-source?

3. Let a mod or a crowner decide what to do with the title. That is all.

edited 21st Feb '12 8:09:11 PM by KingZeal

edited 7th Mar '12 1:35:22 AM by rodneyAnonymous

And again, I just provided several links which definitively showed that what you said is incorrect.

But yeah, believe what you want. The crowner might agree with you.

edited 7th Mar '12 1:35:36 AM by rodneyAnonymous

Me Love You Long Time is a terrible name for a trope that has Madame Butterfly as an example. It has some hope as the name of a trope about low-rent Asian prostitutes, although that's still a minefield.

That's ridiculous. We had to create an entire new rule for the wiki because people were making frivolous arguments to rename tropes with perfectly good names.

Again, a crowner will settle things, one way or another.

I think that, because of the movie, Me Love You Long Time has strong connotations of prostitution and therefore should be a redirect to the newly proposed Asian Hooker Stereotype, not to a more general trope about how Asian women get shipped with White men.

I don't personally have any strong connotations for Where da White Women At? but it sounds like something that probably does have strong connotations for people who watch / read the sort of fiction where it comes up. Again, probably not the appropriate name for a general trope about Black men with White women.

I might agree with the "has stronger connotations to a hooker" with the caveat that it still hits more points of relevance with this trope. In fact, that trope should be called Asian Sex Worker instead, because not all examples are going to be outright hookers.

I think the general trope should have a neutral name (although Pinkerton And Butterfly calls to my character named trope loving heart), should mention Orientalism, and subsequently asian sex workers stereotypes, asian bride stereotypes, asian harem stereotypes, yellow fever (sexual slang) and yellow fever stereotypes, implied power inequalities, and the relative value of white masculinity and Asian femininity versus the inverse.

Concur with Asian Sex Worker being a better name for that trope than Asian Hooker(Stereotype). I'm still really fuzzy on what "this trope" is beyond "Asian woman shipped with White man" so I can't comment on the rest of it.

Agree overall (also, we should write up Orientalism as a trope, eh?), but not in a list like that, which my jaded brain wants to parse as word salad from porn spam. Is "Pinkerton And Butterfly" a reference to Madame Butterfly? I think that that might be a little too obscure nowadays, alas.

edited 22nd Feb '12 7:23:21 PM by elwoz

Oh, that's right: We don't have a page on Orientalism yet! Good idea, lets start it!

Orientalism is now at YKTTW.

How about we just call for a vote to restore the former name and work on the new pages of 'Asian Hooker' and 'Orientalism'?

I'm guessing the latter builds on eddie sai's cultural history thesis idea thing, light as it was on the history. Attitudes change over the space of hundreds of years, yet 'Orientalism' is supposed to have been a consistent attitude? Don't think so. Anyhoo, at least he started a discussion over it... and oh dear I'm rambling.

It's surprising we don't have something on him and his ideas already, considering we're a cultural index archive... thing-place-people.

edited 25th Feb '12 10:36:37 AM by MAI742

Me Love You Long Time sounds good. I ave never seen the movie, but I knew what it was the moment I read it. Same thing with Where Da White Woman At.

edited 7th Mar '12 1:35:46 AM by rodneyAnonymous

Do you have evidence of that misuse? Especially since prostitution is part of this trope?

edited 26th Feb '12 4:21:22 PM by KingZeal

Yep. 50-wick check shows half misuse from that name. Also from this thread:

The new and old names for this trope sound like they're about completely different things.

"Me Love You Long Time made me think it had something to do with prostitution (but then, that was because I saw the movie)". For those familiar with the trope namer, it seems like something else.

I've never seen the movie and I thought it was about Asian hookers initially.

I do associate the former name with prostitution rather than the actual description. So while I'd support a rename, I'd prefer we not use that name.

Un PC-ness aside, do the names of both tropes really accurately describe them? Now that I wonder since a lot of people are getting this confused with the prostitution part.

Me Love You Long Time is a terrible name for a trope that has Madame Butterfly as an example.

And me.

Maybe there is a little kernel of prostitution mixed in the trope but it is not nearly enough for it to be named that.

edited 26th Feb '12 4:59:11 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Most of the examples in question still got the trope right (Asian hooker propositioning white men). Also, most tropers still got the usage right even if some got it wrong.

We still need a better suggestion if you're that convinced.

edited 26th Feb '12 4:31:04 PM by KingZeal

edited 7th Mar '12 1:36:05 AM by rodneyAnonymous