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Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
Decemberist
#1: Jan 26th 2012 at 4:38:53 PM

So, as the title says, do any of you guys do dedications for your stories, and/or opening quotes?

My current project I'm focusing on has been officially dedicated to the memory of Howard Zinn, historian, social activist, playwright, and teacher, as his most famous work, A People's History of the United States, has heavily inspired the direction of the work's plot.

The opening quote I'm using is also from Mr. Zinn:

"There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people."

How about you, TV Tropes?

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#2: Jan 26th 2012 at 5:18:11 PM

I'm not sure. If I do throw in a quote (before opening paragraph that kinda narrates a few things), it'll probably be something random and witty like "Tracers work both ways".

Dedications however I am even less sure of.

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#3: Jan 26th 2012 at 6:28:36 PM

With the mediums I'm working with, doing either would be weird.

So no.

HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#4: Jan 26th 2012 at 6:32:53 PM

I feel if I can't think of a couple of epigrams, I don't really understand the story.

For my current project, so far, I have:

"Don't you want somebody to love
Don't you need somebody to love
Wouldn't you like somebody to love
You better find somebody to love"
Jefferson Airplane

"Then all at once the quarrel sank:
Everyone felt the same" —Philip Larkin

edited 26th Jan '12 6:34:02 PM by HersheleOstropoler

The child is father to the man —Oedipus
alethiophile Shadowed Philosopher from Ëa Since: Nov, 2009
Shadowed Philosopher
#5: Jan 26th 2012 at 6:35:05 PM

None of the works I'm actually working on at the moment take place in settings where it would make sense to use anything that exists now, so I'd have to come up with Fictional Documents, which I really don't feel like doing. So no. I suppose I might, theoretically, if/when I get to any of my more modern-day stuff.

Shinigan (Naruto fanfic)
jewelleddragon Also known as Katz from Pasadena, CA Since: Apr, 2009
Also known as Katz
#6: Jan 26th 2012 at 7:02:20 PM

Your friendly party pooper here to remind you that even short quotes in fictional works are technically copyright infringement*

. Whether that matters to you is your prerogative.

[down]Spoken quotes? I don't think so. But the Jefferson Airplane quote would be protected by copyright, for instance.

edited 26th Jan '12 7:10:34 PM by jewelleddragon

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#7: Jan 26th 2012 at 7:05:22 PM

Wait, so quotes said by people can be copyrighted?

And there's always the public domain.

edited 26th Jan '12 7:05:38 PM by chihuahua0

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#8: Jan 26th 2012 at 7:12:02 PM

^ Anonymous quotes aren't copywritten regardless of age.

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#9: Jan 26th 2012 at 7:30:43 PM

But say I decide to quote Albert Einstein. Would I be breaking copyright?

Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
Decemberist
#10: Jan 26th 2012 at 8:01:10 PM

When I say "opening quote," I don't mean one in-story. I mean as a sort of preface.

And, huh, I didn't know that what real life people say is copyrighted. There are a lot of copyright violations going on out there, then...

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
Hermiethefrog Since: Jan, 2001
#11: Jan 26th 2012 at 9:29:19 PM

Dedications yes, opening quotes no. I've seen too many people throw in completely irrelevant quotes to try and make their book look deeper. I'm just going to avoid it altogether out of fear of joining them.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#12: Jan 26th 2012 at 9:41:07 PM

I'm a little confused as to why epigrams and dedications are being lumped together here.

Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
Decemberist
#13: Jan 26th 2012 at 9:46:07 PM

...because they're both usually in the beginning...

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#14: Jan 26th 2012 at 9:47:27 PM

And that's about all they have in common - a dedication is vastly less likely to relate to the meaning of a work then an epigram is.

Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
Decemberist
#15: Jan 26th 2012 at 9:49:08 PM

~shrug~

I didn't say they had to be related. I just put them together because I found both things I'm using for them at the same time, and they're both at the beginning, so I was thinking about them together. I'm just asking if people use them.

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#16: Jan 26th 2012 at 9:59:25 PM

Aren't dedications practically required in most genres?

Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
Decemberist
#17: Jan 26th 2012 at 10:00:43 PM

I dunno. You tell me.

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#18: Jan 26th 2012 at 10:03:40 PM

Well, a quick peek at ten of the books on my shelf either have dedications, or short acknowledgments at the beginning.

Are their any notable modern novels missing dedications?

alethiophile Shadowed Philosopher from Ëa Since: Nov, 2009
Shadowed Philosopher
#20: Jan 26th 2012 at 10:09:32 PM

Snow Crash has a dictionary entry at the front, if I recall correctly. Can't check right now, unfortunately.

Shinigan (Naruto fanfic)
RiotousRascal Since: Dec, 2010
#21: Jan 26th 2012 at 10:22:00 PM

[up]You're correct. It starts off with the definitions of "snow" and "crash" from the American Heritage Dictionary, followed by the definition of "virus" from the OED.

Leradny Since: Jan, 2001
#22: Jan 26th 2012 at 10:24:13 PM

Do not use quotes to open a novel, especially not the first one you have ever published. In general, they do nothing that the summary on the back of the cover will not do just as well, and have the added disadvantage of making new authors look incredibly pretentious.
- Leradny

edited 26th Jan '12 10:28:29 PM by Leradny

QQQQQ from Canada Since: Jul, 2011
#23: Jan 26th 2012 at 10:27:24 PM

Pretentiousness aside, quotes can serve to introduce a theme tangentially, in consideration of the text to follow. Dune uses in-universe quotes to separate scenes, add atmosphere and background to the setting. — Insert Name Here

edited 26th Jan '12 10:27:44 PM by QQQQQ

Leradny Since: Jan, 2001
#24: Jan 26th 2012 at 10:31:08 PM

Dedications are great, though. They're like Oscar's acceptance speeches, only at the beginning. Shows how humble the author is.

QQQQQ from Canada Since: Jul, 2011
#25: Jan 26th 2012 at 10:32:37 PM

I feel dedications should be put at the end. After the full weight of the text is felt, they mean more to know what's happened is for.. my wife and kids, and all contributors who made the research possible.


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