Avengers Vs X-Men

Yes, you read it right! Avengers Vs X Men is going to be the latest crossover event by Marvel Comics. It will start in March 2012.

What's it about? Well, here's what Wikipedia has to say about that:

The Phoenix Force, the spirit of destruction and rebirth, is going to Earth, and it is assumed that it seeks Hope Summers as its latest host. The X Men are trying to protect Hope while Avengers want to safeguard her before Phoenix arrives. According to Marvel, this event will show Hope crossing paths for the first time with the Scarlet Witch, the person responsible for the mutant decimation in the Marvel Universe.

The story is preceded by the 4-issue miniseries Avengers X Sanction, in which Cable, presumed as dead after the Second Coming event, returns from the future to prevent Hope's death. In a desolated future, he is informed by Blaquesmith that the Avengers somehow harmed Hope and caused such future, prompting Cable to save Hope by exterminating the Avengers before they can get to her.

Here's another snippet from Wikipedia on tie-ins for this event:

Marvel is going to release a 6 issue Tie-In namely Avengers Vs X Men Versus. Each issue will contain 2 fights from Av X in detail. Marvel confirmed that it'll be the only special tie-in book of the series.

So Hope is going to meet Scarlet Witch? Ooh, I wonder if Hope is gonna chew her out for endangering mutantkind over Daddy Issues?

It looks like Wolverine and Beast are on The Avengers team. Hey, maybe those two will have a proper fight with Cyclops this time! What do you think?

edited 26th Jan '12 5:19:15 AM by TiggersAreGreat

Soooooo . . . how does this lead to Let's You and Him Fight?

I just love how Cable's first reaction to hearing the Avengers might have been involved it to kill them. The thought that he could just warn him or that he could potentially screw things up doesn't occur to him. Just killing.

Cable, you are everything that wrong with the Dark Age. I know that may not be 100% correct, but that's just how I see it.

I thought they'd decided to hold back on summer crossovers, though I'm not really up to date with the goings-on at either of the two main companies.

Didn't this already happen in Ultimate Marvel, though? Ultimate War? That was a fun story.

That's exactly what I told a friend of mine. Cable, of all people, should know how screwy the Timey-Wimey Ball in Marvel is, but he's basically going off one guy's vague account of what happened before he decides to jump off and start fighting Avengers.

Hell, the second person he attacks is Captain-freaking-America. If there was ANY man that he could have come to and described the problem to first in hopes of of resolving things through cooperation, he could not have asked for a better one.

True, but what needs to be remembered is that Cable has 24 hours left to live before that techno-organic virus he's got completely consumes his body. He's desperate, and obviously not taking the time to think things through. If he was, then he would know better than to fall into the trap of a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy!

Then there's the Phoenix Force. You know, that cosmic being shaped like a phoenix, made of fire, and consumed an entire solar system? Yeah, this is an entity so dangerous and threatening that the event of it choosing a host is something to be taken very seriously! Hope Summers might be the potential host, but what if it chooses someone else to be its host, instead?

edited 26th Jan '12 10:54:00 AM by TiggersAreGreat

None of those are an excuse. We're talking about the Avengers here. They've dealt with so many Cosmic Entities and ticking clock scenarios that they at least deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Cable kills Apocalypse, Cable dies, no more Cable. Hasn't the guy run his course, the entire purpose of his being already? 90s relic aside, it would be refreshing if the Avengers were utterly defeated and Marvel stopped pushing them as its premier team.

Considering all the events that have pushed the heroes of the Marvel Universe into conflict with each other, I think we need something to bring back the Avengers as the premier team. I mean we had Civil War, The Secret Invasion and Dark Reign; all of which have turned the heroes against each other, tested their loyalty and have seen them claw their way back to the heart of the people.

We need our heroes acting like heroes again. Sicking one of Marvels most popular teams against the other is not helping at all, especially with a plot as stupid and convoluted as that.

All I want is just one period of time to enjoy a Marvel Universe at "full strength". What I mean by that is, every superteam with their A-list characters, every major hero healthy and on call, and every threat you can possibly throw at them ample and ready.

I mean seriously, when was the last time we had an epic story where the X-Men, the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, and all of the other branches of the MU have been at their prime? Most of their big names turns being dead during the Reign of the Civil Invasion Siege.

So at this point is it safe to say that Cable's future just always going to end up a wasteland or something no matter what he does?

I read "in a desolate future," and thought "what else is new?"

Yeah, you think he'd might catch on to that wouldn't you?

That is the major reason I don't really look forward to this. I have the feeling it will have a lot of writing around "power levels".

The Avengers were always one of the less inspired teams. The Fantastic Four were created to be the premier and the X-men were the biggest money makers so it would make sense for them to get pushed. Marvel decided to focus on the Avengers because rights dispute over Fantastic Four and X-men adaptations or something. Point being the team was never really suited for the spotlight stealing it does and the weak reasoning for pushing them down everyone's throat is gone.(seeing how they had full control of the First Class movie right?)

Superheroes fight all the time. Don't forget Namor vs The Human Torch is how the Marvel Universe was created. But why Avengers again, there are so many more inspired groups in Marvel History. The Midnight Sons(and its variations), The Infinity Watch, Guardians Of The Galaxy, The New Warriors, Alpha Flight(and its variations), The Defenders, Gamma Corps, Immortal Weapons, Runaways, Next Wave, The Elders Of The Universe, The Inhumans(Eternals and Deviants in general), S.H.I.E.L.D.-I fail to see what they see in Justice League light.

Cider, sorry, but I find most of what you're arguing to be irrelvant.

I don't care what teams get pushed above what. I just care about something interesting to read.

Arbitrary reasons why superheroes need to fight each other — especially two team books colliding — is why I stopped reading super books.

Cider, one thing I will agree with is that the Immortal Weapons are one of the best teams in Marvel. So of course that book was just a mini, and of course Immortal Iron Fist got cancelled.

One detail that a lot of people are not bringing up here is that a number of X Men have served on The Avengers, with Beast and Wolverine standing out in particular.

A lot of bad blood has developed in the X-Men, as the storyline Schism showed. Beast and Wolverine have become alienated from Cyclops, thanks to him becoming more of a Jerkass than is reasonable. That would explain why those two would fight against him.

Then you have Ms Marvel and Rogue. Those two will so not work together, and it all goes back to that business of Rogue committing identity theft on Ms. Marvel - by absorbing too much of her! I am sure a rematch between those two is going to occur, and it will not be pretty!

The Avengers have also refused to get involved in mutant affairs, which was a big reason why the X-Men mostly stayed neutral in ''Civil War''.

My point is, those two teams have connections and long-term issues to go with it. I am convinced that those issues are coming to a head, and that this would help in understanding why these two teams are getting into a fight with each other!

edited 27th Jan '12 10:32:39 AM by TiggersAreGreat

Onslaught? I don't know, I never actually read the Onslaught stories.

There were a few good possibility. There was one really good opportunity (the Kang Dynasty storyline), but it ended up being an Avengers story rather than a crossover.

edited 27th Jan '12 10:33:57 AM by TheGloomer

Well, for starters, Tony Stark was a teenager during the Onslaught saga and Spider-man was a clone,

Maximum Force? It wasn't paticularly epic, but it wasn't too bad either. I think Thor was missing but we got Beta Ray Bill instead.

Well, I still think that Kang Dynasty could have been a really good crossover.

You guys should take a look at this link.

Cyclops and Hope Summers are at loggerheads, and Hope is showing to have a poor attitude and personality for The Chosen One...just like Anakin Skywalker!

Still, it's interesting that Cyclops is chewing out Hope for acting like a Vigilante Girl. Interesting, because the entire X Men franchise has fallen victim to Franchise Original Sin. Mutants and racism used to be just a method to make their stories Darker and Edgier. Unfortunately, that method has taken over the entire franchise, and mutants have apparently lost their ability to fight crime and be superheroes.

Hope should have said to Cyclops, "There was a time when we fought crime and we were superheroes. What happened? Why don't we go back to doing that? Why should we be wasting our time handling racism when we should be fighting crime, where it really matters?"

"Hope should have said to Cyclops, "There was a time when we fought crime and we were superheroes. What happened? Why don't we go back to doing that? Why should we be wasting our time handling racism when we should be fighting crime, where it really matters?""

Hope wouldn't really know that. She hasn't been in the present all that long, and most of the research she's likely done would be on the world as it is at that moment, not how it was before she was even born.

And it should also be mentioned that Cyclops is trying to do exactly what you're saying. He's got his street team patrolling San Francisco. He's got his Extinction Team dealing with world-class threats. He's trying to turn the X-Men back into a superhero team. But he's also trying to deal with the fact that there's only a couple hundred mutants left in a world full of people who want all mutants dead. It's all fine and good to say "why bother with racism" when you're not the one being oppressed, but for mutants, racism is a daily fact of life, and makes it much harder to be superheroes.

Right now, I'd like to know what *new* spins this is given. Maybe the Phoenix isn't coming for Hope? Maybe it's for the Scarlet Witch! Maybe most of the heroes won't butt heads without a good reason this time? Maybe The Avengers will actually decide to *help* battle mutant racism afterwards? And maybe *drum roll* Jean Grey will come back to life!! (Oh come on, you know she's not going to stay dead anymore than Captain America did.)

Until I hear details like those, I'm not committing.

Yeah, I've never really understood that.

1) The Avengers are affiliated with the US government.

2) The US government sends Sentinels to kill mutants.

3) The Avengers are supposed to be good guys. Don't they have a problem with this?

edited 8th Feb '12 9:40:51 AM by WarriorEowyn