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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#12426: Sep 26th 2014 at 8:12:27 PM

You can do something like telling a servant to appear before you, and they'll teleport right in front of you, a feat that, unless your servant is named Medea, and even then IIRC she's cheating in order to be able to do it, is well beyond their capabilities.

Basically, they're a plot coupon to facilitate any given thing without someone calling 'Asspull', within reason of course.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#12427: Oct 1st 2014 at 4:18:12 PM

So Dracula Untold is causing me to question my choice of Servant for one of the Masters in my version of F/A. I'm either replacing Saber of Red(Mara Jade) or Saber of Black(Lucina) with him(his Master on team Red would be Kotomine Revan if I change his current Servant). The current Red Saber will be switched to be the Assassin(currently Mantis of the Guardians of the Galaxy) instead if I choose her while the current Black Saber will just be removed if she is choosen.

Will have to see the movie first before I decide. His colours already fit both Red Team and Black Team and I can't do a Fate project and NOT have a Dracula(and it would be the first Saber Dracula!).

edited 1st Oct '14 5:38:29 PM by LordofLore

CaptainSilver Name ship of the Yamato Class Yamato from The Eastern Wonderland, isn't that so? Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Name ship of the Yamato Class Yamato
#12428: Oct 1st 2014 at 5:32:12 PM

[up][up]She's a magus. Of course she cheats, it's what they do. They take advantage of the loopholes within the rules of the world to make things happen.

A prince created by the people must retain the people’s friendship, a fairly easy task.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#12429: Oct 1st 2014 at 6:25:08 PM

Technically, the loopholes she's abusing are not in the rules of Reality per se, but in the Grail War system that the Makiris, Tohsakas, and Einzberns designed. Speaking of which, doesn't Fate Apocrypha's handwave for the increased number of Servants through a never-before-mentioned "backup feature" in the Grail War system open a plot hole for Fate Stay Night? That is, why didn't Medea make use of this already-built-in feature to have more Servants under her command (or even a better Servant class than Assassin) if she can manipulate the system in ways that even its creators are implied to be incapable of either doing or conceiving of?

edited 1st Oct '14 6:25:34 PM by MarqFJA

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#12430: Oct 1st 2014 at 6:47:20 PM

I can just see Medea trying the ritual seven times and getting crappy heroes for all classes, to her increasing frustration. At least, right up until she gets Pure Flonne (AKA Fallen Angel Sailor Moon) as Caster.

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rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#12431: Oct 1st 2014 at 7:08:28 PM

I vote Don Quixote for Rider.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#12432: Oct 1st 2014 at 7:37:40 PM

Or Lancer. Actually, considering his luck, I think he might qualify better for that class.

Alas, for the day I see Amadis as Saber. He'd be a perfect fit without falling into the freaking Arturia mold AGAIN...

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#12433: Oct 1st 2014 at 7:39:00 PM

Throw in Johnny as Berserker.

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Krika Since: Dec, 2010
#12434: Oct 1st 2014 at 8:18:40 PM

Is this for a Grail War with only fictional characters?

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#12435: Oct 1st 2014 at 8:21:42 PM

Kind of. The idea is that Medea doesn't stop at summoning a fake Assassin, but goes for a full roster of seven fake Servants.

Speaking of which, Pecos Bill for Archer.

Krika Since: Dec, 2010
#12436: Oct 1st 2014 at 9:07:26 PM

Paul Bunyan as Rider. Because somebody needs to pick up Hercules by the scruff of his neck like a kitten.

PhoenixKnight6 Kicking Ass for the Lord! from An Island Somewhere in the Sea of Rakash Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#12437: Oct 1st 2014 at 10:22:30 PM

Well the only (in-universe) fictional servant I know of in the Holy Grail Wars is Berserker from Fate/Strange Fake. As he is in Nasuverse canon not the real Jack the Riper but rather a fictionalized version of the serial killer as the real on in Nasuverse was a young girl.

However as we are going this route, I would suggest Zoro for Saber or Assassin. Because he is a classic.

(and yeah I changed my profile)

edited 1st Oct '14 10:23:15 PM by PhoenixKnight6

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SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
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#12439: Oct 1st 2014 at 10:27:52 PM

not bad but it's been done. Or so I've been told.

That said it could be a good be worth doing again.

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gwonbush Lurking Puma Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#12440: Oct 1st 2014 at 11:24:15 PM

[up][up][up]I thought that Strange/Fake Jack the Ripper was the real Jack the Ripper, while the Apocrypha version was just a composite of London's orphans.

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#12441: Oct 1st 2014 at 11:41:03 PM

They can both be real. Imagine Strange/Fake Jack's surprise when he discovers that his true identity is a conglomerate of orphans.

CaptainSilver Name ship of the Yamato Class Yamato from The Eastern Wonderland, isn't that so? Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Name ship of the Yamato Class Yamato
#12442: Oct 1st 2014 at 11:44:05 PM

Reinhard von Lohengramm as Ruler (break the rules and the Brunhild will nuke you from orbit) grin

On a more serious note I suggest Ezio Auditore da Firenze as Assassin. Or Altair Ibn-la'Ahad, also as an Assassin.

edited 1st Oct '14 11:59:00 PM by CaptainSilver

A prince created by the people must retain the people’s friendship, a fairly easy task.
Krika Since: Dec, 2010
#12443: Oct 2nd 2014 at 6:25:57 AM

Sasaki Kojiro as the fake Saber. Because dammit, the dude's apparently better with a sword than Arturia, he needs to be a Saber!

CaptainSilver Name ship of the Yamato Class Yamato from The Eastern Wonderland, isn't that so? Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Fandom Heretic
#12445: Oct 2nd 2014 at 6:30:53 AM

@rik: Pecos Bill would fit so much better as a Rider, though. I mean, c'mon. He's famed for inventing the sport of rodeo by knocking down a tornado and then riding it like a stallion against its will.

[up]That one's already being done.

Random thought: would Spider-Man have the Monstrous Strength skill, the caveat being that if he employed it, he turned into his horrific Man-Spider mutation?

edited 2nd Oct '14 7:49:52 AM by EvaUnit01

PhoenixKnight6 Kicking Ass for the Lord! from An Island Somewhere in the Sea of Rakash Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#12446: Oct 2nd 2014 at 11:02:13 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] According to Type Moon wiki. Berserker from Fate/Strange Fake "... lacks a true identity, instead acting as the embodiment of the mystery behind the legend of Jack the Ripper". Whilst the Ripper from Fate/Apocrypha "... is the perpetrator of a series of gory murders in 19th Century England.[1] She grew up without ever having a home, and spent her time living in the streets."

[up]It would be a valid potential skill although his strength stat would already be pretty impressive.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#12447: Oct 2nd 2014 at 12:10:51 PM

Spiderman's strength is pretty inconsistent, at times.

Then again, because of power escalation, most western comics wind up with their heroes having ludicrous levels of strength, because they have to outdo and upstage one another. There's also the fact that writers often write each other into a corner...

It's a mess.

Hell, even Batman is outrageously strong, agile and durable, for a supposedly 'normal' human.

It's a good thing that they're ineligible due to the fact that humanity can no longer produce Heroic Spirits, huh?

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#12448: Oct 2nd 2014 at 12:42:32 PM

"But what if they could?" and "Alternate history is weird" are pretty much the cornerstones of my project. Pretty much the only "historical" heroes that show up are Saint George, Prince Vlad Tepes, Heracles and his friends, Sir Galahad, Genghis Khan, Julia Caesar and Joshua bar Joseph(Jesus).

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#12449: Oct 2nd 2014 at 1:10:27 PM

That last one might just be a mistake.

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PhoenixKnight6 Kicking Ass for the Lord! from An Island Somewhere in the Sea of Rakash Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#12450: Oct 2nd 2014 at 1:11:10 PM

[up][up][up] Well yes but Spiderman's strength has been consistently beyond the bounds of a non-powered human while Batman relies on Charles Atlas Superpower.

[up] Yeah I'd advise against that as well. I mean without getting into it too much that could be pretty offensive. Especially when said figure is straight up used as a Servant rather than merely referenced as existing or involved in things.

edited 2nd Oct '14 1:14:05 PM by PhoenixKnight6

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