Decemberist
Say it with me now: overkill...
"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
Lovely. I think this is utterly ridiculous.
Also, since when did the US own all the .com and .net domains? What if Tv Shack had a .co.uk domain?
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Decemberist
Its a fucking disgrace that the British government has bent over for this.
Dutch Lesbian
V
A reminder: This isn't the only case where the US is seeking extridition...
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Hope they don't run short on lube.
Cmdr. of His Supremacy's Armed Forces
Disappointed in the Government right now, we may as well be a American aircraft carrier off the coast of France.
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Street Writing Man
Lube is for people who care, Johnny.
In all seriousness, this is exactly the kind of authoritarian bullshit the US government will continue to indulge in until they are stopped.
So for those who don't like it, what do we do?
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~
I've of the opinion that one is only bound by laws of a country that are a) citizens of or b) currently located in.
Cmdr. of His Supremacy's Armed Forces
Not for the US, they're world police apparently.
I only recognise the Queen as an official authority.
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This insanity from our various industries doing regulatory capture in the US, then trying to use our government to try and force things overseas needs to be stopped.
It's time for the use of Anti-Trust Laws.
Actual Wrestling Legend
That would violate our God-given right never to give a sucker an even break!
I'm a skeptical squirrel
V
Here we are: the Extradition Act 2003
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And there have been quite a few other cases where the Act has been employed since 2003:
There is no British equivelant to the powers the US can use.
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Decemberist
They are thankfully reviewing this insanity though.
Dutch Lesbian
This is just silly. If he'd done something really serious that affected someone in America, fine, but he hasn't. I can't say I approve of places like his site, but I don't see how you can be tried for doing something which breaks the law in another country. America doesn't own the internet.
Also, "a five year maximum sentence"? That's ridiculous!
They should have been told to piss off, along with their treaty. How can we send someone to a country they've never set foot in to face charges despite not actually breaking any laws?
And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
Pro-Freedom Fanatic
The UK should repudiate the extradition treaty: As it stands, it's a threat to their own people's liberty.
You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it.
What the fuck? Does that mean that any site ending with .com or .net is considered to be under US jurisdiction? Even is the servers are outside US and the site is definetly not for US citizen? You mean, that a small town music festival website, that just happens to have .com domain since it's cheaper, somehow magically is in US jurisdiction?
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Space Wizard
Besides the fact that he got extradited in the first place, what for? What is the crime he is held for anyway? His site (as far as those sources claim) was one of many in the legal grey area, just hosting links to torrents. I'm not defending that, but such an reaction is just equally ridiculous and frightening.
edited 19th Jan '12 9:03:07 AM by Lock
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I am American and what is this?
And we're not talking about a fine and a strongly worded telling off from a Judge, as would be the sensible, sane approach, but spending time in a New York maximum security prison. The kid is from Sheffield for God sake, he's hardly going to last long being locked up with those maniacs. He would actually have been better off just stealing DV Ds from HMV.
edited 19th Jan '12 9:22:13 AM by TheBatPencil
And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
Sneering Imperialist
Oh that fucking extradition treaty.
The American ambassador had the nerve to essentially storm into Parliament and demand that they don't change a thing late last year, insisting that it was completely fair. What a load.
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Well, there's still two levels of appeals courts to take it to, I think.
Yeah, I don't agree this was the right thing to do. I could see justifying fining him, I suppose, but potentially giving him hard prison time in a country he's never been to for something that's not even solidly a crime in his country because of his domain ending and the fact that there might have been some 'economic effects' in the USA? No.
"You fail to grasp the basic principles of mad science. Common sense would be cheating." - Narbonic
Well this seems like an interesting case to me. A British student seems about to face trial in the United States for creating and maintaining Torrent site.
Earlier, we reported on the case of Richard O'Dwyer, the 23-year-old British student facing extradition to the US over his part in creating popular torrent site, TV Shack. Last Friday, a judge in the UK ruled that there were no valid reasons why O'Dwyer shouldn't be sent to New York state for trial. O'Dwyer faces charges of copyright infringement and criminal infringement of copyright, both of which carry a five year maximum sentence. O'Dwyer intends to appeal to the verdict.
"There are said to be direct consequences of criminal activity by Richard O'Dwyer in the USA, albeit by him never leaving the north of England," said district judge Quentin Purdy. "Such a state of affairs does not demand a trial here if the competent UK authorities decline to act, and does, in my judgment, permit one in the USA."
O'Dwyer set up TV Shack.net, which brought in as much as £15,000 per month in ad revenue during its peak, when he was 19. Like all torrent sites, TV Shack didn't host any of the copyright infringing files directly. Instead, it acted as a search engine, providing links to torrent files from which users could download the material. Torrent sites are a legal gray area in the UK. As O'Dwyer's defense pointed out; the only UK prosecution of a similar site, TV-Links, was thrown out last year.
Many question whether O'Dwyer should face trial in the US, considering that he's never been to the states and TV Shack didn't use US servers. The US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, however, maintains that any internet domain ending in .com or .net is fair game for US authorities as the company that provides those particular suffixes falls under US jurisdiction.
So, what do you think of this case and situation? Should he have to face trial in the States even though he is not a citizen, has never set foot there and his servers were based outside of American soil? Is his crime grave enough to warrant extradition?
Now, I really can't support such a move on a crime which is relatively minor and has such a tenuous connection with the United States. Not to mention the fact that his site did not actually host any of the illicit files. Though I have to admit that I'm surprised to learn that apparently the United States has authority over every site ending in .com or .net.
Still, I'm not really familiar with the laws and perhaps politics that might be behind these news. As such I would really like to see what the forum and more knowledgeable people in the site have to say about it.
The article I posted is from the Escapist
and their own source is this
article by the Guardian.
edited 18th Jan '12 8:41:07 PM by daltar
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