The Gun Thread

Two questions about this video about the G3:

1. Is that really an SMG version?

2. What is the name of that grenade launcher?

I can't hear the video due to issues on my end but yes, the G3 has an SMG version. It's called the MP5.

And MP5 sized variants were made chambered in 7.62 NATO and 5.56. Although I dunno if you'd call those G3 variants or MP5 variants. And supposedly there was a version made for special forces chambered in 7.62x39mm but I think that's just a myth.

The grenade launcher is not actually something I recognize.

edited 5th Jul '16 5:55:00 AM by LeGarcon

The UBGL is known as the HK79.

To the best of my knowledge most people who really care about it just use H&K's internal designations for the designs when they were being designed (my 2 cents are that the G3/CETME came first). According to my new Osprey book on the MP5, the designations are as follows:

First digit: Weapon type:

• 1: LMG
• 2: GPMG
• 3: Full-auto capable rifle
• 4: Semi-auto only rifle
• 5: SMG

Second digit is for caliber used:

• 1: 7.62x51mm
• 2: 7.62x39mm
• 3: 5.56x45mm
• 4: 9x19mm

edited 5th Jul '16 6:09:45 AM by Krieger22

So many acronyms...

And for a bonus, here's a (possibly license produced) HK32.

Random rambling.

For a while, the most famous pistol in Korea was most likely Walther PPK, the pistol used to assassinate Park Jung Hee, an infamous Korean president/dictator. Then in 2010, The Man from Nowhere singlehandedly came along and Glock 17 got the title.

The character in question in an earlier scene specifically asked for a gun that is easy to carry concealed, as well as having a decent magazine size, so Glock was a pretty good call, I guess?

The 17 is a good all-rounder (assuming the user is aware of how unforgiving it is of trigger discipline violations), but if you wanted concealability I would go with a 19 or 26, given that those accept the 17's magazines as well. Or the 18's 33 round magazine...

Any firearm's potentially unforgiving of trigger discipline failures - safety catches aren't the be-all and end-all. Frankly, I trust rigidly-adhered-to trigger discipline over a manual safety catch any day.

I personally think that guns that don't have a manual safety catch are a great idea - if you haven't got it, you're not going to rely on it to keep you safe and you're going to have to rely on proper safe handling at all times, mindful that the only thing between safety and an ND is your own control.

Revolvers typically don't have manual safety catches, nor do a number of DA/SA semiautomatics.such as the SIG-Sauer P226/P228/P229, Walther P99, Walther P-38K etc.

It's quite simple: keep your finger away from the trigger unless you actually want to fire it right now - a great habit to be in even if you do have a manual safety catch.

Many modern revolvers have drop safeties, and in the old days, there was the old-fashioned "empty chamber" safety, where you hopefully remembered to lower the hammer on an empty chamber after you handled your weapon.

Personally, I like the 1911's combination of a grip safety and a safety switch. Never cared for the Glock's weird double-trigger.

A "meltdown/tortue test" of a full auto variant of Glock 9mm.

Glocks are in fact pretty hardy. Even with the polymer guided rod it hammered through several hundred some odd rounds. It with stood another 700 before it had a serious failure.

Like the guy says they are ugly but damn are they hardy.

I don't think Glocks are ugly.

Then again, I genuinely think that the Warthog looks awesome, so...

Pretty is as pretty does...

I used to work at a gun shop that had an indoor pistol range. We had a selection of handguns that customers could rent; several Glocks (17, 19, 21, 22, & 23), an assortment of other popular semiauto pistols (Beretta, SIG, Ruger, S&W 3rd Generation, etc.) plus whatever pre-owned handguns happened to be in our inventory at the time.

A rental gun is like a rental car; since care and maintenance are “Somebody Else’s Problem” and they get used by lots of people with different habits, they get abused. We would only clean the rental guns about once a week, or when they had become so dirty and fouled that they started jamming. The Glocks just kept chugging along without complaint, while the other guns got regularly gummed up and suffered minor mechanical failures from time to time — broken trigger springs, crosspins working themselves loose, etc. The Glock 19 seemed to be the most popular of all; I estimate that it digested 200,000 rounds without a mishap. Personally, I don’t need any more convincing.

Shit, you can commit a mass shooting with a small pistol? These things go full auto and can drop this much ammo?

Only the Glock model 18 is full-auto. And in the US, it has to be licensed and registered like any other machine gun.

EDIT: the gun he uses in the video is a semi-automatic Glock 17, converted to full-auto by means of a special "auto-sear." The auto-sear can be installed on different pistols, but would itself have to be titled and registered as a machine gun. (i.e., you can't go down to your local hardware store and buy one right off the shelf.)

edited 12th Jul '16 6:09:37 PM by pwiegle

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I personally think the AR-15 looks boring and bland as hell, but everyone uses it now. At least the C7/C8 are green.

edited 12th Jul '16 5:57:54 PM by Bat178

The Glock 18 isn't really available on the civilian market, it was made as a special forces toy.

And everyone knows the prettiest weapons come out of the Eastern Bloc. Put an SVD in some nice cherry furniture? Beautiful.

Dragunov Sniper Rifle?

Ye

Handle; All fully automatic/burst fire fire arms regardless of what variety require a lot of red tape to be cleared and a lot of cost to even get one. They are actually fairly rare in terms of private citizen ownership and most are in private collections, shoot ranches, or in museums. Actual purpose made automatic fire arms being used in crime in the US is extremely rare.

And here I thought every mafioso had a Tommy gun in a violin case...

Lol. Yeah back in the roaring 20's before that act they were still relatively uncommon. There were a handful of Tommy guns, BAR's, and some custom modified 1911 Machine pistols.

Even back then handguns were still overwhelmingly preferred.

Usually criminals prefer guns that don't give them away before they can commit a crime.

Plus, the 18 is infamously hard to control in full auto without a stock in most hands. A full 1200 RPM tends to do that.

Even back then, they were expensive. In 1935, a Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum cost around $60 in its plain and basic form. It was their flagship model, and was basically made to order. Even so, it was considered very expensive. You could get a Colt 1911A1 .45 pistol for around $35 brand new.

A Thompson submachine gun was $200, with no accessories. (A Ford Model T cost $400.) The NFA of 1934 added the federal background check, letter of registration, and a $200 tax on top of that. Too expensive for any but the most affluent of law-abiding citizens.

The infamous bank robbers of the Depression Era would steal Tommy guns and BARs from National Guard armories and rural Sheriff's departments.

edited 12th Jul '16 7:45:18 PM by pwiegle

Or just buy them from the police. Everyone was on the take then.