The Gun Thread

"One Size Fits All" — doesn't.

This thing is basically an Uzi. Clamping a bipod onto its stubby barrel, giving it a 100-round magazine, and chambering it in a knockoff of the Tokarev pistol round will not turn it into a squad automatic weapon.

edited 28th Jun '16 3:05:55 AM by pwiegle

But can it defeat an uparmored Panzer Gavin?

Probaly.

An academic study on the relationship between gun legislation and gun-related injuries. Results are tentative.

Paywalled.

I think most gun control skeptics would usually respond with something along the lines "There's a strong correlation between Cars and Car-related injuries".

Not a very good retort. It invites something like "Hence why a strong public transportation network and a well-crafted system of certification, sanction, and insurance for automobile users saves hundreds of thousands of lives every year, compared to its absence."

Public transportation? Ain't no such animal where I live.

Any analogy is suspect.

I am very sorry to hear that.

"Ultimately inaccurate" rather than "suspect". If you don't like that game, don't start it.

I have never started that game, other people do. And I really wish they would quit it.

Can we stop trying to go back to the gun control stuff it was asked to leave it off so leave it off.

I was just trying to present a nuanced and responsible take on the topic. The main issue with gun control debate is misinformation and prejudice.

Please just stop. It was asked to stop a couple pages back.

Handle... Please. Stop. Bringing. The. Topic. Up.

We've been all over the issue, and many of us are sick to death of the endless debate that only goes in circles. If you can't talk about guns without talking about gun control, then kindly take it to some political thread. Here, it only monopolizes the discussion and throws gasoline on the fire.

I disagree. I feel like we were approaching some sort of consensus, or at least a point where we were agreeing on the empirical facts, if not the value judgments and moral decisions that could be made based on those facts. I'd like to continue the conversation along those lines, because I'd like to form a well-balanced, fact-based opinion on this topic. I want to talk to reasonable, intelligent folks who can help me disentangle truth from misinformation and prevent me from embarassing and failing myself by buying into and repeating said misinformation. I think I for one have shown a will to debate in good faith, and to change my positions according to new information.

I guess we could open a thread that is specifically about gun control. To be entirely honest, I do not, in fact, have all that much interest in guns unto themselves, except for hunting purposes. I'f like to work my way to a hunting license, buy basic equipment with high quality/price ratio, and dine on venison every few weeks while the weather is fair. If you don't want to talk about laws and regulations, can you please help me with that at least? I would very much welcome tips and pointers.

edited 28th Jun '16 4:20:22 PM by TheHandle

You can discuss law in context of things like ownership requirements, permits, hunting locations etc. Which is pretty much unavoidable for things like hunting. For example I recall you are not located in the US or even in Europe if I recall correctly. So your location may have specific laws that limit what you can hunt and what you can hunt with. If you are able to travel it would depend on where you go to hunt.

For example it is common in the US to have certain hunting seasons not just for certain game animals but also certain hunting weapons. Some places have limits what you can use to hunt and some items are outright forbidden. You also often need permits and tags to hunt said animals.

Could we make a separate "Gun Rights" thread, and then just leave this for those of us who actually want to talk about guns?

I live in Sweden currently. Plenty of immense forests, encroaching deep into the cities. Deers sometimes walk to my doorstep. Wabbits are a frequent sight.

Someone tried to create a thread like that and they were told to take it to the US politics thread.

Handle: Ahh ok. Not sure about Sweden's hunting laws but they likely do allow some sort of hunting.

Always check your local laws and pick the right tool for the right game. For example for hunting deer they make a variety of rifle generally referred to as "deer rifles". Basically a hunting rifle geared towards hunting deer but they often adequate enough to hunt other game as well. Especially some of the more powerful calibers.

edited 28th Jun '16 5:15:40 PM by TuefelHundenIV

"Gun Policies Worldwide" then. No reason for it to be a US exclusive topic. No reason at all.

We've already moved on, tough. We're talking about hunting now.

So, before I consider equipment, targets, learning to track them, and so on, I need to familiarize myself with what the law allows and forbids?

edited 28th Jun '16 5:14:33 PM by TheHandle

You guys could always just not respond to Handle's posts, it's why I bought paintballing up a bit back, because I didn't want to go into the gun control subject, so I found something else to write a post about.

edited 28th Jun '16 5:13:39 PM by Silasw

Handle:

Found this for hunting in Sweden. It looks like your best bet is to talk to the hunting associations and see what you need to do.

So with this info you can start narrowing down your search for an appropriate rifle.

edited 28th Jun '16 5:17:14 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Is there a website that lists guns and ammo in terms of how much impact bullets of a certain weight would have at a certain distance?

Also, I find it interesting that a minimum rather than maximum energy is demanded. Is this about guaranteeing humane One-Hit Kill, you think?

I'm accustomed to bullet weight in grains, muzzle velocity in feet per second, and muzzle energy in foot-pounds. Joules is something I'd have to look up and convert.

Handle: There are quite a few websites that list ammo types and muzzle velocities but what is printed for the ammo is usually out of a test weapon. You would need to do some additional research based on what fire arm you are shooting the ammo out of to make sure it has the required performance.

As for the minimum power requirements it is likely part of ethical hunting practices to maximize the chances of inflicting a lethal wound that will quickly bring down the animal. Your also unlikely to be taking shots at game past 200m due to limitations of accuracy.

There are various calculators on the web that could help you find out estimated energy in joules at 100m for various rounds as well. In fact somewhere in profile under "Tuefel's Tools" there is a set of ballistics calculators that can help you do just that. Otherwise I would see if you could get in touch with the local hunting associations and ask them for help and information.