Often misuses for equipment that is just ugly,: Rainbow Pimp Gear

We do not throw out tropes and remake entirely different ones that are only tangentially related. Those are sent to YKTTW. When we've done major overhauls we've at least had one of those three things to work from. We aren't starting from scratch which is what the trope you are proposing would do. You are free to take it to YKTTW, but we need to talk about this page now and what we want to do with it.

Your proposal would just amount to cutting this page and making a new different trope. We need to figure out if there's anything of this page that is actually a trope. Not just spending the whole time talking about making a related trope and ignoring the page.

"entirely different" implies no solid relation or connection. Being the cause of this gamer reaction cannot be entirely different, as it is the root of this reaction.

Furthermore, this would not be as drastic as you claim. The examples are mostly about games that have visibly changing equipment already. The main change would be just the description and parts of some examples.

I am confused... Shima I think you have a different idea of what this trope is than us... DQZ's suggestion would pretty much do next to nothing on the trope itself.

All it would do would be to just take out the audience reaction as part of the definition.

The main focus on the examples is complaining that certain outfits in videogames are ugly. Not all of the games complained about are even games you can change the clothing on. That means that we'd actually have to scrap or completely rewrite all the current examples in order to make that new trope. None of them are actually focused on that trope. They're just focused on talking about videogame costumes they find ugly.

As a result, you'd pretty much have to start the examples over from scratch and you would need a new definition and a new name. It's better off going to YKTTW.

edited 14th Jan '12 1:29:08 PM by shimaspawn

Complaining About Armor You Dont Like is not this trope...The description doesn't it say it's this... and shouldn't be a trope, Mix And Matching visible gear that has the side effect of not matching thus looks odd however is the trope it is not YMMV at all.

Having the ability to mix and match visible gear will always have that hence DQZ's point.

edited 14th Jan '12 1:41:11 PM by Raso

I agree it's not this trope. It's how the examples are written though and that's what we need to fix.

And removal of YMMV audience reaction elements as proposed thus making it objective, cleanup of examples and such would go a long way to fixing that and future misuse.

edited 14th Jan '12 1:51:57 PM by Raso

That would be a top down rewrite at which point we are basically just cutting the trope and making a brand new one. Not just making the trope objective.

Making the trope objective would be something about the best combination of gear in a certain game is not all from the same set or follows the same aesthetic.

Top down rewrite? Huh? The current description needs a Tropes Are Not Bad tag on it then it's good to go.. There is nothing really YMMV in the description right now.

How? How would just redefining the trope as the root cause be making a brand new trope? This trope is "cause plus reaction". I'm proposing making it "cause" only. That cannot be "brand new", as that requires no elements of the old trope, not still leaving half, that virtually all of the examples still fit anyway.

edited 14th Jan '12 2:01:37 PM by DragonQuestZ

But currently the reaction is the entire trope. The cause is a small footnote. You're talking about troping the cause but throwing out the entire current trope. Go ahead and trope the cause, but it's not this trope. All this trope has to do with it is one throw away sentence. You would have to discard the entire rest of the trope to make your trope.

That's making a new trope from whole cloth.

Except none of the descriptions would actually work under the new definition you propose. Yes, the works would qualify, but all the examples would have to be re-written.

Every single example of mix and match gear is Rainbow Pimp Gear. That is what Rainbow Pimp Gear is its just mix and matching gear... That is the whole point to the trope. Read the description nothing YMMV about it.

Talking about some of the really bad looking ones or lampshades are fine imo.

edited 14th Jan '12 2:20:49 PM by Raso

"throwaway" implies a minor connection. Being the cause means if you take out the cause, there is no trope.

But there is a reason to just go for the cause, and that is, again, this is a subjective trope. And a lot of the examples don't even fit the reaction. But they do fit the cause.

And as for being rewritten, there is a difference between changing the wording and making them invalid. That's also why a ykttw wouldn't make much difference, as every example would still apply anyway.

Anyway, what about we make this one possible solution in a page action crowner? If some also think visible equipment should be done in ykttw, then we do it there, and do something else with this trope. If they think it should just be redefined as the cause, then what is wrong with following that?

Redefining as the cause isn't redefining. It's cutting and making a brand new trope. You would need to completely rewrite all the examples for the new trope. None of them would apply as written. You would need brand new examples. Just from the same works.

edited 14th Jan '12 2:16:28 PM by shimaspawn

Well, let's give that. The thing is, most of the stuff being removed would be complaining. Seriously, look at the examples. They need to be rewritten anyway. So making this into something objective wouldn't be making a new trope. It would be making a neutral trope out of one that smacks hard into Tropes Are Not Bad.

Disagree wholeheartedly your plan is just to create a License To Whine about another trope...

edited 14th Jan '12 2:30:43 PM by Raso

If you mean me, then no. My plan would be that equipment is visible in a game, and that's it. If you don't like how any look, take it to WTH, Costuming Department?.

Let's look at one current example:

• The blue outfit in The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past. The red one is not that disastrous, but still weird compared to the green tunic.
  • If you get all the best gear in the game, this is what Link looks like.

That shouldn't even be an example of this trope, as it's not mixing and matching by choice due to stats. It's just the equipment you get in the course of the game (with a couple bonus ones).

So after fixing, it would be a legit example, but wold read:

• Several of The Legend Of Zelda games allow visible equipment (followed by a list of how the games do this individually).

edited 14th Jan '12 2:39:07 PM by DragonQuestZ

This is what we mean by the current examples would have to all be thrown out. They are not valid examples of your proposed trope. There is nothing of your proposed trope in this one save for a throwaway mention that it exists.

No. I mean all would apply, just that the whining would have to be thrown out, but as the OP and thread title point out, that would have to happen anyway. I'm just proposing we also help prevent further whining by removing aspect of the trope that encourages this whining.

Then again, you haven't given any alt solutions. You've simply tried to argue against my proposal, without giving a better one.

I was talking about shima's leave alone - launch another trope plan.

I'm not saying leave this alone. I'm saying that DBZ's tangent does not belong on this thread. This thread is for deciding if we are going to cut, repair, redefine this trope. Not a place to keep talking about a completely different trope.

And I say "visible equipment leads to WTH, Costuming Department?" being turned into just, plain "visible equipment" is simple redefining to prevent more complaining, not making another trope.

edited 14th Jan '12 3:11:36 PM by DragonQuestZ

It's not simple if you can't use ANY of the existing trope which in this case you can't.