Richard Nixon, Gay?:

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1 MrsRatched4th Jan 2012 11:58:16 AM from Dorne , Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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new book by an ex-White House reporter claims that President Richard Nixon was a mobbed-up drunk who beat the First Lady and may have had a decades-long gay affair with a shady Miami-area businessman.

In the shocking new biography "Nixon's Darkest Secrets: The Inside Story of America's Most Troubled President," former United Press International Washington bureau chief Don Fulsom writes that Tricky Dick had mob ties for more than 20 years before he was elected in 1968 and lusted after his best pal, dashing Cuban-American playboy Charles (Bebe) Rebozo.

Interesting, but does it mean anything in reality?

(Besides that you'd need to hide your sexuality to get elected if you were a homosexual.)
3 MrsRatched4th Jan 2012 12:37:11 PM from Dorne , Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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Hum...It reminded me to one of the infamous tapes on the Watergate Scandal

You know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags. Neither in a public way. You know what happened to the popes? They were layin' the nuns; that's been goin' on for years, centuries. But the Catholic Church went to hell three or four centuries ago. It was homosexual, and it had to be cleaned out. That's what's happened to Britain. It happened earlier to France

Let's look at the strong societies. The Russians. Goddamn, they root 'em out. They don't let 'em around at all. I don't know what they do with them. Look at this country. You think the Russians allow dope? Homosexuality, dope, immorality, are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and left-wingers are clinging to one another. They're trying to destroy us. I know Moynihan will disagree with this, [Attorney General John] Mitchell will, and Garment will. But, goddamn, we have to stand up to this

But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco

Decorators. They got to do something. But we don't have to glorify it. You know one of the reasons fashions have made women look so terrible is because the goddamned designers hate women. Designers taking it out on the women. Now they're trying to get some more sexy things coming on again.

edited 4th Jan '12 12:48:32 PM by MrsRatched

4 AceofSpades4th Jan 2012 12:44:45 PM from The Wild Blue Yonder , Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
That just looks like stream of consciousness rambling, to me, and shows the standard homophobia of the time. I... don't think that Richard Nixon being gay really means anything important at this point. Course, I don't really think he was gay without proof, and it still wouldn't really matter in the long view. I think someone's just trying to sell books here.

Also, the phrase is "reminded me" not "remembered me".
5 pagad4th Jan 2012 12:46:26 PM from perfidious Albion , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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I like how he paints the Russians as a strong society with ideals to aspire to while condemning communism in the same breath in the middle of the Cold War. That's...conflicted.
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6 BlixtySlycat4th Jan 2012 12:49:02 PM from Driving the Rad Hazard
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Why are there so many "Was Historical Figure X Gay?" investigations?
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7 MrsRatched4th Jan 2012 12:50:34 PM from Dorne , Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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Why are there so many "Was Historical Figure X Gay?" investigations?

Plain morbid stuff, like oh, really? seemed so normal to me...
8 BlixtySlycat4th Jan 2012 12:54:58 PM from Driving the Rad Hazard
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Being gay is not a disorder.

Even if it were, it reminds me a bit of those tests to figure out what Ramses II's hair color was. Just sort of pointless and generally done for some ulterior reason or another.
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9 johnnyfog4th Jan 2012 01:00:51 PM from the Zocalo , Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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The "Gays are what made Rome fall" theory is hugely popular and not attributable to Nixon.

Eh. I've read the rumors about Nixon. I think he was uncomfortable in his own skin, and a different sexual orientation wouldn't have helped much.

His whole record is just one long list of self-destruction and martyrdom.
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10 BlixtySlycat4th Jan 2012 01:03:43 PM from Driving the Rad Hazard
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It's also a fringe theory. I've never heard any good support for it.

Nixon was clearly a troubled man, but I don't think "being gay" was on his list of troubles even if you would consider being gay to be a trouble.
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11 MrsRatched4th Jan 2012 01:05:39 PM from Dorne , Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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Being gay it's not a trouble by itself, but can be if the concerned doesn't admit it...

As a (project of) psychologist, i'd say that it's because of that nowadays psychology manages to fix self-steem problems related to sexual orientation with acceptation therapy instead of the infamous reorientation therapies

edited 4th Jan '12 1:06:30 PM by MrsRatched

12 Bur4th Jan 2012 01:21:44 PM from Flyover Country , Relationship Status: Not war
It's interesting to try and figure out how some people ticked, or what made them make the choices they did, what drove them. Being gay now is not (usually) viewed as a disorder. Being gay then still at least kinda was. I mean, it was still listed in the DSM as a mental disorder until the late '70s.
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14 Nohbody4th Jan 2012 03:47:19 PM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
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Why are there so many "Was Historical Figure X Gay?" investigations?

It sells books? tongue

Somewhat less sarcastically, particularly in this specific case I'm suspicious that this is in part to further tear the man down, above and beyond what his own known mental state did to him. Even years after his death, there are still quite a few places on the political map that despise and utterly loathe him, and will do anything to tear him down,* particularly now that he's not around to defend himself.

And tangentially, the "Thread closing in..." stuff isn't particularly helpful, nor does it actually contribute anything to the topic of the thread.
15 MarkVonLewis4th Jan 2012 04:29:02 PM from Somewhere in Time , Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Do those biographies have any concrete, solid evidence backing those claims up?

This kinda sounds like Weekly World News-level baloney to me.
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16 TheBatPencil4th Jan 2012 07:22:51 PM from Glasgow, Scotland , Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
Methinks that someone just wants to sell their book. "Nixon was a nutter" isn't news to anyone anymore, so throw in a few things for shock value and there you go. It's the kind of thing you'd expect to see on the front of OK Magazine or something.

For what it's worth, that the guy had his finger hovering over the big red button is frightening enough to get by on.

edited 4th Jan '12 7:23:55 PM by TheBatPencil

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17 johnnyfog4th Jan 2012 07:51:28 PM from the Zocalo , Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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I know a lot of you Tropers are smart cookies and enjoy your history. The problem is that for half the population out there, gossip is their history.
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18 Flyboy4th Jan 2012 09:40:51 PM from the United States
What a bunch of bullshit.


Well, granted, I guess it's possible. But also irrelevant.
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Why are there so many "Was Historical Figure X Gay?" investigations?

I suppose it's because statistically speaking, there should be a significant minority of historical notables that were gay, but because of the morality of their times, most would have hidden it. So people try speculate on which people might be part of that hidden minority.

Also, gossipy sexual revelations gets media attention.
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