Appeal to the moderation

We do ban drama because hosting spat fights is not what we are about.

Also. A lot of times it's hard to sort out who started what, or even what the fight is about. Giving both parties a chance to cool off an talk to us helps defuse situations.

Okay That answers my first question, but what about the second? About when people are asking for help, the general consensus seems to be, out of sight out of mind :/

To be honest I don't agree with your premise that we ban people for asking for help. If we did we wouldn't have ATT - or this thread, or all of the other facilities that exist to enable people to ask questions (from the Tropers in general and from the administration in particular). We do try to help people, and to answer questions, and to solicit (and address and/or incorporate) input from the userbase when drafting or updating site policies.

I suspect that this is about the "suicide/self-harm" rule, actually. Which, as pointed out, is because this website (or 90% of websites in general) are not equipped to deal with that, and shouldn't be expected to.

Those problems should be left to professional doctors and other care specialists.

Even if one of the mods was a psychiatrist specializing in suicide prevention, you can't diagnose and treat that kind of thing over the internet. Don't we already point them towards a number of suicide hotlines and such? Because that's really all anyone can do in this situation.

Last I checked the mods do what they can which is direct them to where they can find help. Really not much else you can reasonably do.

Okay, after looking around the site, I think (hope) this is the right place to post this.

We have a very persistent individual with a hate-on for Nintendo, going by the name Yuki-Akuma.

He was previously suspended for editing Nintendo-themed articles, removing positive opinions, and adding negative ones. Now he writes review after review bashing Nintendo games, frequently with obvious, easily provable lies. This is his most recent. A Google search shows that he's written a review for Donkey Kong Country Returns that has since been deleted.

He refuses to stop. It's like since he was suspended for vandalizing Nintendo-oriented articles, he's decided that the way to get his hate-on is by posting false reviews filled with not opinions, but lies. It's like he hasn't learned how to behave himself, but instead how to technically not get caught.

Well, yeah, we just had a discussion about him in moderator chat less than a hour ago. I've removed them from the review section.

edited 21st Nov '14 12:05:26 PM by SeptimusHeap

The review's still there actually. But anyway, what can make him stop? He's persistent, and is on a mission.

He's the new Chick Tract. We can only hope none fall for him.

I've heard that checking timestamps before posting is a good idea, myself. Especially since you seemingly have nothing serious to add to the month-old discussion about this guy. (Honestly, I enjoy humor as much as the next troper, but this is definitely not the thread for it.)

Timestamps Are Your Friends.

I read that as "Trampstaps are your friends".

I think things have cooled down now. Is it safe to make an appeal for the unbanning of JIKTV yet?

I'm not sure what "cooled down" means in this context. JIKTV was a wonk about many issues and would constantly edit pages to enforce his opinion on them. This happened on multiple occasions over a long time frame. There is no reason to believe that a fifth opportunity would have any other result than to prove us fools.

edited 24th Mar '15 3:51:00 PM by Fighteer

Cooled down as in I think he's been gone for at least a year so everyone's bad feeling about him should be gone. I had forgotten about him until I saw his name come up in an old thread someone resurrected.

Anyway, I'd estimate he left 90 stubs behind on the wiki and while I've typed a few novels of expansion, correction and cross wick work, it'll be a while before they're all robust and I don't have the motivation or knowledge to see it all through. Ceirezol, Backlash and some others help too but JIKTV openly admitted to leaving many mistakes behind, so I imagine even our corrections haven't been sufficient(and I make mistakes too)

Maybe he could stay banned from the wiki and post any edits he wants made on the forums? Copying and pasting through hyperlinks would at least streamline the process (and give us some quality control).

edited 24th Mar '15 8:28:58 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

That is explicitly against our rules, and making edits on behalf of a banned troper gets you banned yourself.

Arise, and serve my bidding!

Let's talk hollers. A few days ago, I hollered a post where one troper threw a personal insult against another troper. (I'm being deliberately vague to avoid singling anyone out. If a mod wants to know the exact details, PM me.) As of the typing of this post, said post was not thumped, and there is no sign of any mod attention being paid to this.

I've noted one of the past mod complaints (which may or may not be true today) is a lack of people willing to holler problem posts on the forums. I can understand that being a problem, but it doesn't help matters if you can't/won't respond to hollers in a timely manner...say, within 48 hours or so of the initial holler. I highly doubt I am the only one who hollered in a situation like this, only to get nothing.

The other issue being that there's no way to tell the difference, from Troper Joe's end, between a holler that the mods decided to do nothing about, a holler that the mods handled privately via tools like PM, and a holler that slipped through the cracks. I've made other hollers before that didn't get a mod response, but I have no way of knowing what happened in that case except by directly contacting a mod. And for obvious reasons, mods may or may not want to provide details about specific cases of misbehavior. I can get behind that, and don't fault the mods for doing so...but it makes the current system come off as a little dicey.

It's obvious that the system could be improved, so I'd like to hear everyone's (both from mods and ordinary tropers) thoughts on this.

I've explained that particular holler over PM; basically, what happened is that we didn't get to a decision.

I keep getting thumped for defending myself against the forum lurker trolls and for pointing out their unnecessary vehemence. Is this mod abuse, or should I just disavow myself of this website?

If you're talking about the LGBT thread, I've read the conversations around and including your three Thumped posts there, and in each case it looks, to me at least, that you're the one overreacting and/or escalating.

Remember, if someone disagrees with you, that's not the same as insulting you. The only way that a conversation makes sense is if everyone's entitled to make their case (as long as they're civil about it).

We can't pick some of our opinions and declare them so important to us that no one can argue against them. You have to have an open mind and remember that your opinions are not the same as your identity, so if someone's against your opinion, that doesn't mean they're against you.

lurker trolls?

I don't think that's an accurate or nice thing to say about the people disagreeing with you

I wouldn't, if they engaged with normal, happy conversations, instead of just drama. But they don't.

If they're engaged in the conversation, they are not, by definition, "lurkers". And trolling is not simply "disagreeing with you and refusing to roll over and quit when you tell them you disagree with them."

Bumping this

Just wondering why this post of mine was thump worthy?