US Government trying stem tide of immigration - literally:

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1 Inhopelessguy17th Dec 2011 02:16:26 PM from Birmingham Ctl, UK , Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
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The US government is putting a fence in the ocean to separate Tijuna, from California.

The fence extends about 90 metres into the surf, and is 5.4 metres high, costing $4.3mn.

The article suggests there's already a 22-kilometre long fence in place already, or something along those lines.

JUST FISHING FOR THE MOON IN AN ARTIFICIAL SEA

2 USAF71317th Dec 2011 02:19:02 PM from the United States
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3 AceofSpades17th Dec 2011 02:19:38 PM from The Wild Blue Yonder , Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
A 22 kilometer fence that has been grafitied, no less. Yeah, this isn't really going to do much besides make pointless busy work for folks. This will not actually decrease the level of illegal immigration.

Improving conditions and job opportunities in Mexico will stem illegal immigration. But I'm not sure we can do anything about that.
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Legalizing more immigration will decrease the level of illegal immigration.

But I'm not sure people care about that.
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5 Inhopelessguy17th Dec 2011 02:26:24 PM from Birmingham Ctl, UK , Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
I'm no geographer (or whatever the field is), but... building this thing seems ecologically ... bad.

Tidal barriers for civilian purposes are terrible for ecology on beaches and in the waters...

This is a metal fence, however, not a thick concrete slab. This is going to mess that ecology up like hell.

edited 17th Dec '11 2:26:37 PM by Inhopelessguy

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Well, at least it's pointless busy work. It's not going to stem the tide of illegal immigration at all, but at least there's going to be work for people until it's done.
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7 feotakahari17th Dec 2011 03:32:31 PM from Looking out at the city
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Well, at least it's pointless busy work. It's not going to stem the tide of illegal immigration at all, but at least there's going to be work for illegal immigrants until it's done.

Sometimes, the anti-immigration crowd reminds me of the anti-piracy crowd: they know full well they're not capable of fixing the problem, so they make a show of creating stricter and stricter security measures that fail to inconvenience anyone other than law-abiding citizens.
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@Feo: I'm pretty sure that if they hired illegal immigrants to build a fence to keep the immigrants out, the media will go apeshit.
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9 USAF71317th Dec 2011 04:00:20 PM from the United States
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Nah, we could (and should) stop illegal immigration.

The oligarchy of Mexico doesn't fall until we do, so goddammit, do it.
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so basically, now we're so worried about immigrants that we hope local fishing and tourist industries dont notice when we drive them out of business.

edited 17th Dec '11 5:11:12 PM by Midgetsnowman

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11 nightwyrm_zero17th Dec 2011 05:23:06 PM , Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
[up] The people in those industries are probably illegals anyways.

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12 AceofSpades17th Dec 2011 06:32:51 PM from The Wild Blue Yonder , Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
USAF; Mexicans leave Mexico because Mexico has a distinct lack of chances to succeed in life compared to the US, which is why they come here in the first place. Helping Mexico's status improve will help stem the tide of Mexicans coming here. Also, Mexico is not the only place they're coming from, it's just that a lot of South Americans take a path through Mexico. But they likely have other paths to take to come here, which makes the idea of fences out in the water even more ridiculous.
13 Joesolo17th Dec 2011 06:33:39 PM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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[up][up] Only some. Usually in america, you need people that speak English for tour guides.

[up] Before this there were about 5 wood posts in the water out to 5 feet. Basically anyone could walk around.

Why they dont just build a guard tower w/ security agents, or just cameras, is beyond me.

edited 17th Dec '11 6:34:52 PM by Joesolo

14 BlixtySlycat17th Dec 2011 06:34:24 PM from Driving the Rad Hazard
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Uh....why?

This just seems like a cartoonish solution to the problem.
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15 Joesolo17th Dec 2011 06:36:34 PM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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Yea. A out post would be much better.

It's probably just the fact they need something on the border, and this would get approval from congress more easily then extra funding for cameras and stuff
16 Inhopelessguy17th Dec 2011 06:39:20 PM from Birmingham Ctl, UK , Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Well, those cameras steal bits of your soul, remember! A good ol' fence didn't kill no souls!

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17 BlixtySlycat17th Dec 2011 06:42:05 PM from Driving the Rad Hazard
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An enormous fence gets more funding than cameras?

Do we live in Toontown now?

I mean seriously, I've never been anti-immigration, but if you're going to try to stop it at least do something that might work.
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18 USAF71317th Dec 2011 08:03:13 PM from the United States
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In my father's country—which is sadly now a Third World nation thanks to the tyrannical plutarchical fucks—they use illegal immigration as a distraction.

If the US really closed the border, there would be a revolution in Mexico within a month.
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I don't get it. Why do something so self-destructive? Making enemies with everyone, and just stubbornly building walls (in this case, literally) to avoid a complex problem instead of trying to work with the reality of the situation. There has to be an exceptional cause to fight for, and I don't see such a legitimate reason here.

This is similar to what I just don't get about some bullies. They go as far as to hurt themselves just to bully someone. Why?
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20 USAF71317th Dec 2011 08:23:56 PM from the United States
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Believe me, the ultimate goal for me is freer immigration, but until we cut them off the plutarchs will have free reign in Mexico.

The War on Drugs is only half the problem.
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21 BlixtySlycat17th Dec 2011 08:27:36 PM from Driving the Rad Hazard
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Well that's an opinion and I respect it, but this isn't the place to discuss immigration reform, IMO. My issue is with the utterly ludicrous methods being used here.
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It's ridiculous, I agree, but it still has that attitude of not caring about any consequences just to be in denial mode against a problem.

What would this fence accomplish? It's costly and has side effects. And yet people try to force it, simply because of hatred against immigration.
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23 USAF71317th Dec 2011 08:30:44 PM from the United States
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Yeah, this is stupid.

You can't shut it down with a wall. You shut it down with the US Military. At this point, with the cartels, we might consider it either way, in fact.
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24 BlixtySlycat17th Dec 2011 08:31:56 PM from Driving the Rad Hazard
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Well see, putting a fence along the ocean is actually dumber than putting one along a land border.

At least a fence can sometimes keep out people on foot. But aren't most Columbian drug deliveries (which I think this is supposed to stop) done by plane?

edit: Noope that's wrong. I misremembered where the fence was being built.

edited 17th Dec '11 8:32:27 PM by BlixtySlycat

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Legalizing more immigration will decrease the level of illegal immigration.

But I'm not sure people care about that.
Well, I would assume there's a reason current US immigration laws are as they are, and why they make such entries illegal...

Sometimes, the anti-immigration crowd reminds me of the anti-piracy crowd: they know full well they're not capable of fixing the problem, so they make a show of creating stricter and stricter security measures that fail to inconvenience anyone other than law-abiding citizens.
Well, it's not a binary problem, "solved" or "not solved". It's gradual: What can be done is to prevent as many people as possible to cross into one's territory illegally.
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