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Russians, Japanese want to clone Woolly Mammoth:

 1 The Bat Pencil, Wed, 7th Dec '11 9:52:46 PM from Glasgow, Scotland Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
Mammoth science is the best science

Scientists from Russia and Japan are undertaking a Jurassic Park-style experiment in an effort to bring the woolly mammoth out of extinction.

The scientists claim that a thigh bone found in August contains remarkably well-preserved marrow cells, which could form the starting point of the experiment.

The team claim that the cloning could be complete within the next five years.

But others have cast doubt on whether such a thing is possible.

Mother cow?

The team, from the Siberian mammoth museum and Japan's Kinki University, said that they planned to extract a nucleus from the animal's bone marrow and insert it into the egg of an African elephant.

Similar procedures have been done before with mixed results.

In 2009 it was reported that the recently extinct Pyrenean ibex was brought back to life briefly using 10-year-old DNA from the animal's skin. The cloned ibex died within minutes of being born, due to breathing difficulties.

The Roslin Institute, famous for cloning Dolly the sheep, no longer conducts cloning work but has published some thoughts on the possibilities of bringing extinct species back to life.

It said it was extremely unlikely such an experiment would be successful, especially using an elephant surrogate.

"First, a suitable surrogate mother animal is required. For the mammoth this would need to be a cow (as best biological fit) but even here the size difference may preclude gestation to term, " it said.

The success rate for such an experiment would be in the range of 1-5%, it said.

The second issue would be the need for viable whole cells.

"If there are intact cells in this tissue they have been 'stored' frozen. However, if we think back to what actually happened to the animal - it died, even if from the cold, the cells in the body would have taken some time to freeze. This time lag would allow for breakdown of the cells, which normally happens when any animal dies. Then the carcass would freeze. So it is unlikely that the cells would be viable, " it said.

Assuming that viable cells are found it becomes a numbers game, it went on.

"Let's say that one in a thousand cells were nevertheless viable, practical issues come into play. Given that we have an efficiency of 1% cloning for livestock species and if only one in a thousand cells are viable then around 100, 000 cells would need to be transferred, " it said. Hybrid

Charles Foster, a fellow at Green Templeton College, Oxford, seemed more optimistic.

"The idea of mammoth cloning isn't completely ridiculous.

"How the resultant embryos would fare beyond the stage of a few cells is more or less unknown, " he said.

While most of the genetic coding of the embryo would come from the mammoth, some would come from the elephant ovum.

"We really don't know what the contribution of that cytoplasmic material is, or how it would interact with 'alien' DNA, " he said.

It would however mean that, even if successful, the clone would be a hybrid rather than a pure mammoth.

edited 7th Dec '11 9:53:14 PM by TheBatPencil

And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
 2 Oh So Into Cats, Wed, 7th Dec '11 9:55:19 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
And then what?

Eidolonomics: ~60.4k/100,000 words
 3 The Earth Sheep, Wed, 7th Dec '11 9:56:03 PM from a Pasture hexagon
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Have a happy five years until any of this pans out, successful or no.
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 4 Ace of Spades, Wed, 7th Dec '11 10:01:57 PM from The Wild Blue Yonder Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
We could always let the mammoths loose on Mars. I think there was a sci-fi story about that somewhere once.
 5 Oh So Into Cats, Wed, 7th Dec '11 10:08:54 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
I mean you clone a mammoth, and then you have exactly one mammoth. And then the mammoth dies. This is kind of one of those For Science! things, isn't it.

Eidolonomics: ~60.4k/100,000 words
 7 johnnyfog, Wed, 7th Dec '11 10:25:51 PM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
[up] Ooh. Brainstorm. We can mix in some goat DNA, and end up with Wampas.
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 8 Barkey, Wed, 7th Dec '11 11:01:16 PM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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I think this sounds cool, even if there's not a whole lot of productivity to cloning a mammoth, there's still practical applications for cloning in general, and this means we have a gateway to continue that research.
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Cool! Let's let'em.
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 10 USAF713, Thu, 8th Dec '11 4:35:52 AM from the United States
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...depending on whether or not they won't just stab the poor thing to death and dissect it For Science!, I approve...

I mean, if they're not gonna treat it like shit, it's fine. I'm surprised Japan and Russia are working together, but...
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 11 Carciofus, Thu, 8th Dec '11 4:49:11 AM from Alpha Tucanae I
Is that cake frosting?
Stabbing it to death would be a silly idea: you don't want to damage the organs more than you have to. Vivisection is far better here tongue.

But really, scientists would be far more interested in study the mammoth's growth and behaviour to kill it anytime soon.

I am, frankly, doubtful about the probability of success of the project; but I am not an expert in the discipline, and if they can succeed then major props to them.

edited 8th Dec '11 4:53:01 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 12 Radical Taoist, Thu, 8th Dec '11 5:51:33 AM from the #GUniverse
scratching at .8, just hopin'
Start mammoth farms. Boom, major food source that can be raised in the Arctic regions, assuming their food needs can be met.

I can see why the Russians are interested. Shit, I'd try mammoth steaks.
 13 Excelion, Thu, 8th Dec '11 6:17:54 AM from The Fatherland
Most of the article is talking about how low the chances of success are, and you guys are already considering what they'd do if they manage to create a grown mammoth?

If anything, it will give them some insight in whatever.
If they don't manage to clone a mammoth in five years, maybe they'll just glue some hair on an elephant and call it a day.

 15 Hellman Sabian, Sat, 10th Dec '11 7:50:10 PM from The United Kingdom Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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I say what's the point? Good luck with that.
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 16 Inhopelessguy, Sat, 10th Dec '11 7:54:32 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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I want to see a a mammoth.

I wouldn't call this dating; its just getting to know you the hard way.

 17 FF Shinra, Sat, 10th Dec '11 8:22:59 PM from Ivalice, apparently Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
Got my approval. Everything Is Better With Elephants.
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 18 Inhopelessguy, Sat, 10th Dec '11 8:31:36 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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It'd be a project of mammoth proportions!

I mean, who'd have elephunk'd it?

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