What is the deal with anti-race mixing?

First off all, Chris Rock is fucking HILARIOUS!

Second, I find it strange that folks get upset about race-mixing. After all, in my experience, I've found that people that date outside their race are usually doing it because they can't or haven't found a suitable mate within their own culture. So they kinda shrup it off and start looking elsewhere.

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You, sir, have just made my day.

Bwahahahahahaha.

Oh and thanks for the mental image.◊

Banned entirely for telling FE that he was being rude and not contributing to the discussion. I shall watch down from the goon heavens.

I think deciding whether or not to engage in race mixing is a Sadistic Choice because both options have Unfortunate Implications.

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Why? I get how "I want to date Blacks/Asians/etc. because they are exotic and foreign and so on" is rife with unfortunate implications; but you don't have to subscribe to something silly like that for being OK with "race mixing", should the chance arise and should the relationship meet your personal requisites.

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

I don't get why people make a fuss over race-mixing either. It's been going on since the dawn of time, probably, so why's it suddenly such a big deal? (Yes, I know about the colonizing Africa and the slavery and such, but I really did think we were trying to move past that.)

Maybe I'm just biased, though, since I'm the product of an interracial relationship.

What I don't get is when black people are the ones who have issues with interracial relationships (oh, believe me, groups/movements/philosophies like this are out there and I've run into them several times). Like, why wouldn't we think interracial relationships were a sign of progress? It may not be a large step, but it's a step.

Also, don't these "keep the purity" groups realize that their plans will eventually end in incest? That's going to put a damper on things.

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Not necessarily. A sufficiently big and diverse group of humans (and the main "racial groups" as they are intended nowadays certainly qualify) could theoretically practice endogamy basically forever without encountering any particular inbreeding problem.

After all, there are more "Black" (or "White", or "Asian") people now than there were humans for most of our pre-industrial history...

This, of course, does not affect the fact that the notion of "racial purity" is intrinsically stupid. After all, as I said, most of the ancient cultures whose heritage supremacists claim to preserve would have been completely baffled by the (fairly modern) concepts of "race" and "racial purity"...

edited 29th Nov '11 12:47:30 PM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

@Black Elephant I think, for American blacks at least, being against interracial relationships springs from an inferiority complex.

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Both options have Unfortunate Implications.

It reminds me of that episode of glee where Rachel was going to get a nose job and Pluck chewed her out for 'betraying their semantic heritage'.

Who was being the biggest racist there?

edited 29th Nov '11 1:14:44 PM by joeyjojo

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The fuck are you talking about? Are you trying to sound like an idiot, or do you actually have a logical point to make? I have yet to hear, much less personally experience, anything resembling an inferiority complex regarding interracial relationships (then again, I don't have any hang-ups about them in the first place), so I can tell you that's nonsense.

edited 29th Nov '11 11:22:16 PM by tropetown

Dunno. My race happened to slip my mind just now. Good thing it's completely irrelevant to the argument though, or my current lapse of memory might've been a problem.

Eh, it's just that I've rarely seen that sort of attitude come from someone who wasn't occupying a position of significant privilege.

What's precedent ever done for us?

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The worst dating-racism I've personally encounted has come from Koreans. *shrug* Possibly just due to higher exposure.*

^{Not, as my fingers tried to typo, due to higher explosure.}

Actually, I had a Korean girl I asked out tell me the next day that her dad threatened to kick her out of the house if she dated anyone but a Korean guy.

x4 - I think you mean Semitic. I doubt her ancestors were composed entirely of poor word choices.

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edited 30th Nov '11 7:18:25 AM by BlueNinja0

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edited 30th Nov '11 8:31:30 AM by TheGirlWithPointyEars

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A Japanese acquaintance of mine once told me that his grandpa (I think) would be perfectly fine with him dating anyone — Japanese, Chinese, Black, Caucasian, whatever — as long as they were not Korean.

That was surprisingly specific, as far as racism usually goes; but that's because of the historical unpleasantness between Japan and Korea, I guess.*

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

First off, chill. And while it may be nonsense to you, I'm happen to know that the above statement is true for many people.

Black people are still considered second-class citizens in the Western world, particularly in these United States. It's expected that a given people will try to find ways to "fit in" with the dominant people in the society in which they live, in this case, white people.

It is a documented fact that there black men who will actively try to date and/or marry white women as a way of demonstrating "improved" social status. I'm sure they are not the only ones that do that. But it does happen.

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I wouldn't call it common enough to be a majority point of view; there probably are people who fall under that criteria, but to say that most black people who have problems with interracial dating have those hangups because of an inferiority complex is, quite frankly, pretty damn ignorant, not to mention, racist.

Sadly, I'll have to agree with you here. However, his point wasn't that black guys go after white girls because deep down, we want to make up for years of being stepped on due to the color of our skins (which I don't agree with, though it could spark a potentially interesting discussion); his point was the exact opposite, that black people who don't like to see interracial couples are really covering up the fact that they feel inferior to the white people coming in and banging their men/women (which is arguably even more racist).

I'm sure there are people who do that; it's not a view I personally share, but I can see the reasons why someone else might. Again, though, his point was the exact opposite of that.

edited 30th Nov '11 8:19:42 AM by tropetown

You guys have a very loose definition of second-class citizenship. Second-class citizenship is more along the lines of Brahmins and Kshatriyas, at the cushiest.

Anyway, regarding the relative repentance of Japan and Germany: when someone from Ohio marries someone from Georgia, even if the one from Ohio says "Civil War" and the one from Georgia says "War Between the States", it's such a non-issue that nobody ever brings it up.

A recent issue of Newsweek said that only 60% of Millenials approve of interracial marriage. I sincerely hope there was a "whatever, it's marriage" option on the poll they gave, because in my whole life, I've met only two people in my generation who don't approve.

edited 30th Nov '11 8:25:29 AM by DomaDoma

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I don't think I have ever met anyone, from any generation, that disapproves of interracial marriage (well, apart from that post that someone linked to before, but that does not count).

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

Those two people stood out pretty vividly, I can tell you.

Hail Martin Septim!

What was meant was the colloquial definition of second-class citizenship, more or less meaning "a person belonging to a group within a wider community whose rights and opportunities remain unequal, in practice, to other people in the same society". Let's try not to be pedantic, here.

Anyways, interracial dating is so common in our generation, I think it'd be pretty damn hypocritical for people to have that much of a problem with interracial marriage; I'd chalk it up to a misleading survey. To put it simply; "lies, damned lies, and statistics".

edited 30th Nov '11 8:42:12 AM by tropetown

Lucky you.

My mother and father are disapproving (I'm not, weirdly), and even some of the kids in my class are disapproving of this.

It's primarily a race thing, considering I'm South Asian, as are the aforementioned kids in my class. I've known guys who've been disowned by their parents for dating outside of race, so for some people this is Serious Business.

What exactly was that civil war example supposed to show? There's a big scale of difference between a Civil War which was an awful conflict to, "Hey, Japan occupied your country for decades, razed all the cities to the ground, systematically raped and killed hundreds of thousands of women, used chemical and biological weapons on civilian populations, mass executed Po Ws, ran systematic labour camps that resulted in a lot of deaths and then to top it off... denied any of it ever happened even at the highest levels of the Japanese justice system." What is there to repent in the Civil War that one side did to the other that is outside the norms of armed conflict or more importantly, relatively worse than the other side?

But, having said that, I would prefer if people were capable of moving past such differences.

The example of a Japanese person be disallowed from dating Korean is really strange (and why would they dislike Chinese either, not sure what you meant by that). Basically no country ever did anything to Japan over there, so I imagine it's more of a social rung kind of thing. Chinese would rank fairly high in comparison to other Asian groups.

For North America, if people allow inter-racial dating, they're going to be more likely to allow dating with the dominant power group first; whites. Chinese with White. Black with White. And the very last groups are the 2nd class citizens (do we really need to argue that term? Now that's semantics.), such as Blacks and Native Americans.

Because the last century's history of the interactions between Japan and Korea or China has been, well, problematic. It just seemed strange to me that this person's relative had singled out "Korean" as the One Nationality To Avoid, that's all.

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

Well, actually, the tumultuous time period you're talking about is even longer with respect to Koreans, so if it IS based on that, Korean makes more sense than Chinese. However, since it was all one-way badness (Japan to everybody else), not sure why the Japanese care.

@Tropetown (cool avator btw) I get what you're saying. We had a discussion on another thread about the problem with blanket statements vs. stating things like "some" and "the people I've encountered". I don't think KCK meant all black people, or even the majority.

However, I would suggest to you that perhaps the problem is more pervasive than you think. The scars that the black race has suffered in this country runs deep, and I think that a feeling of inferiority to whites is very real, especially in light of our very real second-class treatment.

For a lot of blacks (and I'd hazard a guess that it's the same for other non-white Americans) dating a white woman is a way to counter that sub-standard treatment. It's an offshoot of other assimilation behaviors; altering speech patterns (less jive turkey, more the Queen's English), wearing clothes with a more hipster bent, and watching stuff like Mad Men.

Of course the issue is that a black person might demonstrate those same aforementioned behaviors, but not to assimilate, but simply because that is their own personal taste.

edited 30th Nov '11 10:28:10 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

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