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Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#13276: Sep 22nd 2014 at 3:28:18 PM

[up]LIES!... Steelhooves has Perseverance.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#13277: Sep 22nd 2014 at 3:51:14 PM

You missed the point. Main characters only. -_-

edited 22nd Sep '14 3:54:22 PM by Spirit

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Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
#13278: Sep 22nd 2014 at 4:32:51 PM

@Pannic: Virtues of the Wasteland.

I like how Murky gets front-and-center treatment.

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#13279: Sep 22nd 2014 at 4:33:59 PM

Yup. That's the one.

Anyway, chapter 3 of The Least of Us is pretty much ready for posting. Just need to add the "Level Up!" and "180 days left" notices to the end.

For an explanation, my fic has the gimmick that there's a countdown timer starting at 183 days.

edited 22nd Sep '14 4:36:27 PM by Pannic

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Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
#13280: Sep 22nd 2014 at 4:52:34 PM

Starting at 183? And you're at 180?

Good luck finishing the fic. wink

edited 22nd Sep '14 4:52:49 PM by Unknownlight

kimba90 Since: Nov, 2011
#13281: Sep 22nd 2014 at 5:05:30 PM

@Panic Murky was Hope, Littlepip was Sacrifice, Blackjack was Perseverence, and Puppysmiles was Innocence

Uhm, I think it should be the contrary here: Pip is more abour perseveranceand Bj more about sacrifice.

Also, what you think of Making Paharita from Anywhere but here The Rarity of the group?

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#13282: Sep 22nd 2014 at 5:07:56 PM

Ummm... no. Littelpip's entire virtue WAS sacrifice, explicitly made clear.

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#13283: Sep 22nd 2014 at 5:08:39 PM

Heh. The timer will go faster. It's just chapter 3 is only one day. Chapter 4, for example, is gonna cover, like, 5 days to a week.

Anyway, it's up on Fimfiction for all to see now.

edited 22nd Sep '14 5:15:11 PM by Pannic

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Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
#13284: Sep 22nd 2014 at 5:17:29 PM

Also, what you think of Making Paharita from Anywhere but here The Rarity of the group?

Rita is an unrepentant sociopath. Why would she be part of the group? Why would she have a virtue at all?

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#13285: Sep 22nd 2014 at 5:21:49 PM

If anything Rita is closer to Pinkie Pie. And that's still stretching.

edited 22nd Sep '14 5:22:54 PM by Spirit

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IcyShake Since: Aug, 2013
#13286: Sep 22nd 2014 at 8:43:08 PM

Pannic: Hopefully. I haven't updated in months, though I do have a PH update in the pipe.

Yay!

Death Cloud: But there is nothing much honest about her, not even as something driving her into corrupted version. She even lie about her name most of time.

You're forgetting: [fanfare]THE ELEMENT OF HONESTY[/fanfare] isn't honest about her name, her gender, or the fact that the Wasteland's primary source of news isn't who it was before she took over, and is a member of a secret society! And that's just the overarching stuff she wears day to day. Basically, in this universe (if you accept the afterward), the standards to represent honesty are so low as to be nonexistent.

But yeah, I'm not a fan of the whole "corrupted virtue" thing, either.

And Littlepip has plenty in common with Twilight: for instance, until the end of season two, neither of them had any meaningful interpersonal relationships (or at least indications thereof) outside of work until they left their homes at the start of the story!

However, being the spark isn't so much a character similarity, as fulfilling a similar narrative role.

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#13287: Sep 22nd 2014 at 8:48:01 PM

[up] So every actor is a liar? that is what she is doing, DJ Pon-3 is a roll she plays on the radio. And name one outright lie she told that wasn't one that was REQUIRED for her to be able to keep that roll as SJ Pon-3 and do the mos good she could or the Wastes?

At all times she is totally honest about everything she can be, herself, and with herself. And holds the truth as being important, while knowing when sometimes, it's better o say nothing but never for her own gain.

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#13288: Sep 22nd 2014 at 10:29:42 PM

You're forgetting: [fanfare]THE ELEMENT OF HONESTY[/fanfare] isn't honest about her name, her gender, or the fact that the Wasteland's primary source of news isn't who it was before she took over, and is a member of a secret society! And that's just the overarching stuff she wears day to day. Basically, in this universe (if you accept the afterward), the standards to represent honesty are so low as to be nonexistent.
Eh. That doesn't really bother me that much. To me that's sort of on the same grounds of calling Superman a hypocrite 'cause he uses a secret identity yet is supposed to stand for, among other things, "truth."

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#13289: Sep 22nd 2014 at 10:57:17 PM

Ummm... no. Littelpip's entire virtue WAS sacrifice, explicitly made clear.

Show, Don't Tell, don't believe the narration, believe in the events depicted. If anything, Littlepip is great at sacrificing other people, from pretty much the very beginning.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#13290: Sep 22nd 2014 at 11:24:20 PM

You could make the argument that Littlepip sacrifices her morality, which is at least partially intentional.

That's kind of something that leaves a bad taste in one's mouth, though. The other part that was meant to illustrate the "Sacrifice" virtue, her shutting herself up with Celestia, is... infinitely less compelling, however, and that's what I think makes the "Sacrifice" theme fall flat.

Now, you could certainly argue in favor of Littlepip being selfless, in that she pursues her convictions with no thought to her own well-being or safety.

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kimba90 Since: Nov, 2011
#13291: Sep 23rd 2014 at 2:47:34 AM

[up]Why is it less compelling?

edited 23rd Sep '14 2:48:42 AM by kimba90

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#13292: Sep 23rd 2014 at 3:40:54 AM

She constantly demonstrated just what her virtue was from the very start. It was shown in nearly every way and nearly everything she did.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#13293: Sep 23rd 2014 at 5:20:16 AM

Seraphem, I wanted to talk about PH on the FOE group in Fimfic, and who do I find doing the exact same stuff that he was doing here? You, always you. Give it a rest, will ya? You've made your point. No one wants to debate Littlepip with you.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
ILSS Since: Jan, 2001
#13294: Sep 23rd 2014 at 5:24:08 AM

How else will he keep everyone from discovering his secret: that he, Seraphem, is the big Project Horizons fan?

Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#13296: Sep 23rd 2014 at 12:26:48 PM

The don't go insulting her and making just plain false statements if you don't care to hear the counter to them. So... people complain about Fo E nonstop and do nothing but bash it and the characters.. yell at the person that defends it. But, no talking bad about PH?

Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
#13297: Sep 23rd 2014 at 12:43:28 PM

Seraphem, I wanted to talk about PH on the FOE group in Fimfic, and who do I find doing the exact same stuff that he was doing here?

Checking for accuracy...

Actually, nope! This is actually kimba's conversation we're in right now. He started it here, and instigated the argument here:

Uhm, I think it should be the contrary here: Pip is more abour perseveranceand Bj more about sacrifice.

It's all kimba's fault! evil grin

edited 23rd Sep '14 12:43:49 PM by Unknownlight

ILSS Since: Jan, 2001
#13298: Sep 23rd 2014 at 12:47:26 PM

I think Littlepip is not a very good pony at all.

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
#13300: Sep 23rd 2014 at 12:52:14 PM

Okay, new poll. Who in this topic likes Littlepip?

*raises hand*


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