X-Men In General

Anyway, I kind of think that Marvel verse humans in general might have higher peak potential than real life humans. You gotta remember that all of Marvel humanity are descended from early humans who have had a double dose of the Celestials' interference. First with the Progenitor Celestial's blood seeping into the Earth, followed by other Celestials running their usual Eternals-Deviant project on Earth.

The Celestials are the reason Marvel superhumans of all kinds are a thing. Whether it's Eternals, Deviants, Mutants, or Mutates.

And of course, Apocalypse is the biggest and baddest Mutant of them all (most of the time) because he upgraded his already fairly decent Mutant powers with Celestial technology.

Edited by M84 on Apr 10th 2024 at 11:48:57 PM

Civil War Files lists Captain America as an "enhanced human", and it's not the first time either. Back during the 1960s, it was stated in Tales of Suspense that Captain America's enhancements were "second to none". Avengers Roll Call #1 states lifting an imperial ton is a warm up for Captain America. At the start of Civil War he's able to flat out avoid gunfire from multiple shooters shooting at him at once, and okay, it's not a comic book but the official Marvel hand book states his reaction time is ten times faster than any unmodified human's can hope to be(that's the 1983 handbook, well before MVP was created, but even with MVP's existence Captain America reflexes are still something it takes more than mere practice to gain).

The Captain America 65th Anniversary Special states that Captain America can run a mile in "just over a minute", which is to say he can compete with 4X4 relay teams by himself. Captain America is basically four Tyson Gays, four Usain Bolts in one man! That's the difference between peak human ability and peak human potential. Captain America's abilities are things the human body can technically do, but will not do because such exertion would damage a human body that was not enhanced. Not all of Captain America's abilities even fall into that neat little category. Captain America volume 4 states his healing factor is so fast Captain America can't get drunk and is immune to alcohol poisoning. Do you know anyone who gained a healing factor through pushups and sit ups? From a balanced diet? Does Batman have a healing factor? Marvel can claim Captain America doesn't have powers all they want. Forget that they're contradicting themselves, pretend nothing of contrary has ever been written in any comic book. His stated abilities demonstrated feats would still be unarguably super human in ways Batman's aren't...but Captain America's mask doesn't have scanners that can see through walls and identify human vital signs through clouds of Joker gas. I'm mean if not beating Batman mean's you're badass normal I guess Clayface is a badass normal too! You know Clayface knocked Wonder Woman on her backside once? Is she a badass normal?

I think an MVP campaign would be a logical follow up to the Nimord campaign. That was to make the extermination of mutants look like a Saturday morning cartoon, so why not make it look like a "modern day" update to The Lord of the Rings next? The pretty boy, super human soldiers slaughtering the mutated orcs by the dozen! Bastion would tie it all together as the Gandalf.

Steve Rogers is considered enhanced because he was artificially brought to peak human potential via the Super Serum.

It is basically a super science take on steroids.

Yes, which is why Captain America says JUST SAY NO to drugs.

Given how nearly everyone that they try to Super Soldier up turns out, he has a point.

Maybe the lesson is say yes to drugs, but only when Nazis are involved.

NYX by Collin Kelly, Jackson Lanzing, and Francesco Mortarino announced

Staring Ms. Marvel, X-23, Prodigy, Anole, and Sophie Cuckoo.

"With Xavier’s school long gone and Krakoa destroyed, the greatest city on Earth is about to get a huge influx of mutants, whether they’re welcome there or not!"

Well that confirms that.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 11th 2024 at 2:10:08 AM

And as usual, Marvel America only seems to have one city for super stuff...

I'm assuming NY being the Weirdness Magnet has to do with Creator Provincialism on the part of Lee and the other founders of Marvel followed by inertia and a desire for the books to be crossover friendly?

That's fucking terrible.

So far, From The Ashes is feeling utterly terrible and just M-Day 2.0. Literally the only book so far that's raising even the slightest bit of interest in me is Simone's. They really burned down the most bold, innovative, and well-written period the X-Men had in years so we could go back to a status quo that was old and tired nearly thirty years ago now. What a rancid idea.

Jeeez that creative team is a hype killer.

Like I like the general team, glad Anole is getting spotlight, but Kelly and Jackson are absolutely trash writers.

Their last stuff has been all around awful, including their current book Outsiders.

Agreed, though depending on if Jean, the Dead X-men, the Five, etc, were able to undo Nimrod's slaughter at the gala, FTA might come off to a more hopeful status quo compared to Wanda saying "No More Mutants" and putting them on the endangered species list.

They are still not gonna to enjoy the Resurrective Immortality thing anymore and of couse they now have to deal with having to hear rednecks calling them "muties" to their faces among other things once more.

Arrako might fare a lot better, unless Genesis's rampage reverted it to its previously uninhabitable state. So there's a potential silver lining on the red planet at least.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Apr 11th 2024 at 2:45:40 AM

I don't really think it will be a mass slaughter, more so just the big place is destroyed so people are lost but overall it won't be a kind of slaughterhouse like No More Mutants was.

The writers have confirmed on twitter that NYX isn't a team book and will explore a wider community so more characters will be involved in it than just the starting 5. Hopefully indicating a lot of folks are still alive.

The fact Anole and Prodigy are in this indicates the Academy X characters are finally gaining more noticeable spotlight.

I think my biggest worry about From the Ashes isn't the creative team, it's the lack of a high concept to tie it all together.

Love it or hate it, Hickman had a compelling idea to tie the Krakoa books together. Whereas this feels like branding, not an overarching plot.

"Krakoa's over, what do we do now?" Is a good start for a writer's brainstorming session. It's a less interesting hook for the X-Men books and characters themselves.

Maybe they're saving some big twists until Krakoa is truly over. Or maybe this is it.

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 11th 2024 at 11:02:49 AM

Yeah I am worried that Jed Mc Kay is finally on a main X-Men ongoing and his tenure might wind up wasted.

He should be a main architect/headliner guy like Ewing and Gillen.

I really wonder why they decided to totally end Krakoa in the first place, with both sales and fan interest high. Simone said on Twitter that it wasn't movie or X-Men '97 synergy...

It was either synergy or Brevoort doing his usual bullshit. There's really no other explanation for blowing up the best thing that happened to the comic in decades, one that had previously been extended because of how beloved it was and how much everyone on the creative team loved writing in it. And even if it is synergy, it's bad synergy, as X-Men 97 is absolutely nothing like the Post-M-Day situation From The Ashes apparently is, and in fact is hewing a lot closer to Krakoa.

And yeah, the thing of it is, as bad as destroying Krakoa is, it'd at least be semi-tolerable if the new status quo was interesting and new in it's own right. But it's not. It's just a lazy rehash of one of the worst periods of the franchise's history. The best "big shakeup" they can think of is putting the X-Men in different cities in crude emulation of prior stories? Gimme a break.

Edited by immortaleditor on Apr 11th 2024 at 4:18:04 AM

Was Brevoort linked to OMD at all? I keep hearing people attribute it it to him as just an expression of lack of faith in anything he does, but he was never a Spider-Man editor, was he? The only connection I'm aware of was that weird essay he wrote defending why Peter shouldn't age.

Thread from Jackson Lanzing about NYX

"And as usual, Marvel America only seems to have one city for super stuff." I mean, Uncanny is in New Orleans and Exceptional is in Chicago. Adjectiveless is in Alaska, but I'm guessing that's going to have the team jumping to various locations.

I do like the idea for NYX, as it seems to be about a focus on mutant culture. Plus, Kamala's back to her classic costume. And hey, Anole getting to do something. Anole, Prodigy, and one of the Cuckoos here, and Surge in X-Force. So the New X-Men characters are getting to appear, after being largely ignored in the 2010s. So that's nice.

So yeah, NYX honestly has a much more compelling premise than either of the main X-titles, since it doesn't seem to be about a team of classic cishet white characters "fighting for a world that hates and fears them." It's a diverse set of characters, with a focus on mutants as an actual minority group. It's something different.

Maybe X-Men should have ended after Claremont.

Well we wouldn't have gotten Morrison and Gillen then, so no.

I honestly forgot about Morrison.

Morrison wouldn't have been a bad place to end it though.

Edited by kkhohoho on Apr 11th 2024 at 7:22:36 AM

yay kamala is nyc, soon everything that made her unique will be gone and she will just be another mutant who will die in an event in hmmm.... 2 years.

I have been seeing complaints over Kamala's inclusion here due to how she's being forced into the X-Men brand when no one wants that and taking positions that should have gone to actual x-characters.

Ironically the MCU isn't even setting her up to be an X-Men, more Young Avengers.