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I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM
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To be fair the first one got an Author's Saving Throw from Mike Carey; Xavier tried to remove the slave code, but couldn't at first because he was worried he'd wipe her mind in the process.
He still used her for years without telling anyone. It is not like he couldn't have asked for Beast's help or something. Sure, it wasn't as much of a dick move as it appeared at first, but it was still quite bad.
That's exactly my problem though. Xavier being married to Mystique is more of a shock and a sin than what was in that will.
I haven't read the issue yet, but was this explained? 'Cause that came out of nowhere for me. Did those two ever shown to have a relationship before?
Yeah, sure. Don't you remember? It was in First Class. Oh, sorry; the film, not the comics. Because the comics have to resemble the films any way they can these days. Short Wolverine? Can't have that. Nick Fury a white guy? Eh, just kill him off and replace him with some black offspring, he's not too important. Xaiver and Mystique not in a relationship? Well, we'd better fix that crap right away, shouldn't we?
This is the same line of reasoning that led to the Jack-Shit-Angry Green Giant being on the Avengers again. It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not. If it's not the like movie, they're gonna' make it like the movie, at least on a superficial level.
edited 5th Sep '14 1:25:48 PM by kkhohoho
Yeah, Xavier's "sin" wasn't too shocking, because it actually seems like exactly the kind of thing he'd do. The second issue of the original X-Men series had him mind-wipe Vanisher, and even before things like Deadly Genesis and Danger, Xavier had a history of doing some pretty shady shit.
On the other hand, the reunion between Kitty and Kurt was wonderful. Just a beautiful moment.
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...In the movie Xavier and Mystique are pretty much brother and sister. I never actually seem any kind of romantic tension. And even if the comics become closer to the movies, it is not like they do so without any sort of explanation. Fury Jr. is a dumb idea, but it is not like old Fury suddenly became black and bald.
Also, I am certain that stupid artists exist, but I believe comic!Wolverine is still despited as a short dude. He is more handsome than he used to be, but still short. In his appearance in Ms Marvel he was the same size as a teenage girl.
edited 5th Sep '14 1:38:00 PM by Heatth
So, I just read the latest UXM and... that is it? There is no more for the will? Did they seriously went without resolving the issue about the inheritance? What happens to the school then? Doesn't that means it default to Mystique, as Xavier haven't appointed anyone else?
The rest of the Will is to be saved until after they've done their final mission for Xavier.
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xavier said itd be revealed after they finished the mission. itl probably be like logan and scott just fuck already its annoying at this point. or giving them both coownership of the school, but logans dead anyway so the schisms over no matter what.
You know, speaking of the Schism. This last year Marvel made me laugh a lot. You see, it seemed to me that they were trying to make out that Wolverine and the Jean Grey School are right and that Cyclops and the New Xavier School are villains who need "correcting". but what's making me crease is the fact that they keep on doing stories that prove, again and again, that Cyclops is right.
The government WAS hiding Sentinels, teenage mutans DO need to learn how to protect themselves because they WILL be attacked. Cyclops is right.
Add to that: Beast was the one who threatened the entire timeline by bringing the O5 to the present. Then he started blowing up planets. And Scott is the one we're supposed to see as a villain.
yes. i see both of them as idiots on the wrong side. the right side was legion but he unexisted himself so bendis could redo his/protous plot with mathew. also shield had sentinals but its obviously not main shield. not even hill knew about those so counting those as the governments isnt really true.
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
Just because Hill didn't know does not mean they are not Government Issue.
Maria Hill is not the President or World Leader after all.
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Tiamatty once said that Scott is right be default because the people writing Logan (mostly Aaron) didn't even bother to make an argument. Possibly because he/they assumed everyone would automatically side with Logan by default. 
no but she is head of shield and the robots were shield. so if she didnt know about them its probably not her fault or the governments fault. its hydra. its always hydra.
Did I say that? I can't even remember most of the things I say.
But yeah, Wolverine's side wasn't even actually trying to improve things for the mutant race. Oh, sure, the school helps individual mutants, but on a larger scale? Nothing.
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Yeah Logan's side was basically send us your freaks, and Cyclops was all pretty people this way, uggos go to new york.
...I am sorry, but I actually don't understand your phrase.
Though I'll admit I can see why people dislike Scott. Being the authority in a franchise with anti-authority themes, the deck's always been kinda stacked against him.
I would say it's more that Wolverine's side thinks that if they just try not to attract attention then things will be fine, while Scott thinks that the only way to improve things is to get as much attention as possible.
People used to make a big deal about Xavier being MLK and Magneto being Malcolm X. Neither was true, of course. But Scott, right now, is actually a lot like Malcolm X. Unfortunately, there's no one in the MLK role (and never actually has been). It'd be great if, say, Storm stepped up to do that. But that would require that at least one writer on that side actually want to tell a political story.
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the new mutants scott has are all attractive or at least have no visable deformaties. while logans new mutants are eye guy, sprite and deer girl.
Okay? It is just the statement came so out of blue I wasn't sure what you are trying to say. Why did you say that? How does that connect to the conversation?
Also, the lack of punctuation made understanding really hard. There should be some quotation marks there.
sorry did that one on my 3ds. i was just making a joke how cyclop's side is only has "pretty mutants" while logan's side has the really mutated ones. I was trying to say that Logan was helping mutants in his own way by giving the less human looking mutants a place.
edited 8th Sep '14 7:34:23 PM by deadpoolrocks
The "greatest sin" is (unsurprisingly) a letdown. Messing with a kid's brain (who even consented at some point) is nothing compared to making Danger his slave for years, sending the Vulcan team to their deaths, subsequently mindwiping Cyclops, being on the Illuminati, etc.