Could Israel Go Nuclear on Iran by this Spring?

Or maybe just for the life of enemy soldiers and weapon developers. Hard to tell.

A pre-emptive nuclear attack by Israel against Iran will be interpreted as declaration of war against the Internation Community.

Expect all the Nations of the World to embargo Israel except the US and some client states of the US... i.e Colombia.

edited 14th Nov '11 6:29:54 AM by Baff

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Sanctions might actually have an impact on a country that has regard for the wellbeing of its citizens, too.

Anyway, nukes are definitely not the way to deal with it. I'm thinking infiltration is their best bet.

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and in which popular opinions carry some wait.

Do I am sure some Orthodox and some seatlers would be delighted. As well as some neon cons here in America.

I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.

Your random political smear is duly noted. (Though I would guess there are Israelis that irrational about it, yeah. The cradle of civilization still hasn't shoveled out everything those first babies spit up, to say nothing of centuries since, and if you wallow in all that regurgitated blood, you lose a bit of perspective.)

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@Doma Doma -

There is nothing to suggest that Iran would use it any more than any other country with a nuke. Rhetoric is one thing, but the very fact that Israel is nuclear as well ensures MAD will be in effect. Infiltration/sabotage has had diminishing returns and only helps to have them actually make the decision to create a bomb rather than merely the capability.

Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...

A lot of Iranian rhetoric is loaded with the martyr complex. They don't seem to have the same sense of self-preservation other countries like Russia, China, India and the US do.

"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."

Every other nuclear country has had MAD because they don't think the rewards of the afterlife will totally be worth them and their country going down in flames. There's your indication.

edited 14th Nov '11 7:36:07 AM by DomaDoma

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leading to.... ->

You ARE Iran, Tom.

edited 14th Nov '11 7:38:45 AM by Karkadinn

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.

Once again... Let me remember you there is a Fatwa against nuclear weapons in Iran...

So if the developed Nuclear weapons it inst because they want to be martyrs but because they are traying to be practical.

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I Knew It!!

If Iran really was such a martyr nation, why haven't they rushed to Israel yet? Heck, seems like that would be even better than slowly making nuke. Glorious attack by self-sacrificing soldiers againt savage Israelis would be so in character by your definition of Iran.

No common borders?

Different definitions of martyr complex, and you know it.

edited 14th Nov '11 7:47:30 AM by DomaDoma

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@Tom and Doma Doma if you're both going to use the fact that their interpretation of religion somehow subverts MAD, then you must equally allow for Baff's argument about the fatwa against the use of nuclear weapons at all. Both are based on the same premise that the religious authority alters the behavior of the state in a different way than another state in its position.

Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...

...Wouldn't so many generations of Cold War Armageddon fear teach everyone something about the bombs?

Proud member of the IAA What's the point of being grown up if you can't act childish?

You'd think but not really. It took 5000 years before we realized the need for proper city drainage and plumbing helped drastically reduce disease rates. It may take just as long to realize nuclear weapons are a no go.

edited 14th Nov '11 8:28:13 AM by MajorTom

"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."

...that was due to lack of proper scientific method to analyze the effects of poor sewage systems and the like. Everyone KNOWS what a nuke does and what makes it different from just a really big regular bomb.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.

Nnnnno. Armageddon device is pretty damn easy to keep unactivated in the silo.

Also, didn't the Greeks, then the Romans, then the Caliphates, develop plumbing/sewage systems?

Proud member of the IAA What's the point of being grown up if you can't act childish?

^ Yeah which promptly were forgotten about over the years just like the deterrence factor of nuclear weapons.

"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."

Drainage was forgotten over a period of some centuries. Nuclear MAD has not even subsided yet (not all MAD scenarios revolve around the US-USSR Cold War) to allow for forgetfulness even for a day, let alone centuries.

Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...

not that i praticulalrly want to get into this discussion all that much, but a simple question for the opening post.

where exactly did you get this information from ?

the Israeli airforce has more 4th gen strike fighters then the Royal Air force and the Luftwaffe combined.

and Iran most decidedly does NOT have any substantial air defenses that can hold up against modern fighters (which is why they are desperate to get that S-300 system that Russia won't sell them).

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also, expressing happiness at the demise of a bunch of revolutionary guard scambags is hardly a Moral even horizon.

we're not exactly talking innocent people here, or even soldiers serving their country.

these guys are the ones who protect the regime, not the country.

edited 14th Nov '11 9:37:37 AM by bladeofdarkness

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Shinra, you already squared that circle. The physicists who take the fatwa more to heart than Khameini does are the ones dying in Pravda-esque accidents. Conscientious objectors don't fare well in dictatorships.

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I read the thread title, and was confused. Why on earth would Israel go Nuclear?

I will give you a prediction: The moment ANY nation on earth goes nuclear, they either get cracked down so heavily that they never come back, or they start world war 3, almost ending humanity. Dropping non-nuclear bombs, however, would make sense.

Go play Kentucky Route Zero. Now.

So, if they were to go nuclear, how would we prevent other nations from being dragged in? Just let them slug it out on their own?

MAD should hopefully ensure that nuclear conflict can be avoided. That said the tensions between Israel and Iran may result in a tight close crisis if the international community is not careful.

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Frankly, if those two countries start lobbing nuke at each other, I don't see a single reason why the other nuke-capable ones should involve themselves... "At last, they found some way to end the whole Middle-East nightmare!"

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