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That's the thing, Vyc. Dwarfs, being mostly subterranean, would realistically develop on radically different social paths than the other species. Isolation does that- see Japan or New Zealand before large-scale interaction with Europe for examples. Maori ate the flesh of their enemies, for instance.

Also, if there are four people, three is a simple majority. You can't ask people to vote things in on a tie.

What can be fixed is the "I don't think it's ethical to vote on my stuff" thing. If you think your idea is good and deserves to be in, vote for it.

God, the name "Eladrin" is exclusive to D&D. Please rename the concept. Other than that, I like it.

I enjoy how some of our stuff has conflicting terminology. It gives it that element of realness that I find most games' terminologies lack. Until mass communication, people didn't know what the hell to call things, got things mixed up, called two different things by the same name (Indians anyone?) or called the same thing by multiple names (Cougars, pumas, mountain lions).

edited 22nd Jan '12 4:52:32 PM by Exelixi

Fine, I hope you'll allow me a re-vote then:

• Abyssal gods - No
• servitors - No, like the idea but think it could be better worked.
• Elemental gnomes - Yes
• Abominations - No, more detail needed.
• Exitus, God of Vengeance

o Exitus' manifestation - Yes, to both but I want to add that bit about cold vengeance and bow.

• The traveler's Star - yes
• Meikyuu Forest - yes
• (Seven Sins gods)- No
• fashions - Yes, and I have some ideas for why mages may use robes over other clothes .
• The Old Lands - Yes
• The God's Edge -Yes
  • Hyathern and the school of the God's edge - Yes

• Beast-folk - Yes
• Tims and the Bestial rings -Yes

edited 22nd Jan '12 4:54:58 PM by Vyctorian

I have no problem with people voting on their own stuff, it just sounded like some of us were opposed to the idea. But if Exel and Vyc are Ok with it, then I'm going to allow a re-vote. Here's mine:

• Abyssal gods - No
• Servitors - No
• Elemental gnomes - Yes
• Abominations - Yes
• Exitus, God of Vengeance- Yes
• The traveler's Star - yes
• Meikyuu Forest - No
• (Seven Sins gods)- Yes
• fashions - Yes
• The Old Lands - Yes
• The God's Edge -Yes
• Hyathern and the school of the God's edge - Yes
• Beast-folk - Yes
• Tims and the Bestial rings -Yes

I'll wait until Exel has voted (and GOA, if he's going to) to do the tally.

edited 23rd Jan '12 3:56:46 AM by Sijo

I'm tending not to vote: I like to make ideas but I fear to enforce my opinion on which we should adopt.

And if not Eladrin, what other name should I use?

edited 23rd Jan '12 9:23:22 AM by God_of_Awesome

If you don't vote then we have to knock down the acceptance requirement.

=_= Alright, do you have a list or do I go looking?

It was like three or five pages back. 636

edited 23rd Jan '12 11:17:57 AM by Vyctorian

I vote for Abominations. Most other things are my ideas, so I can't vote for them. Unless I can, in which case I will.

God's Edge: I think the ability to counter, deflect, parry spells is something any good martial artist should have.

We can vote on our things and are encourage to do so, by Ex.

we are not allowed to do all but though you must vote individually. Too easy to miss things, and cause confusion otherwise.

edited 23rd Jan '12 11:52:51 AM by Vyctorian

Yes = X

• Abyssal Gods X
• Servitors (This may have been mine but I'm not too attached to it)
• Elemental Gnomes (I'm working on that Eladrin thing. Apparently, need a better name)
• Abominations X
• Exitus, God of Vengeance X
  • Exitus' manifestation X
• The Traveler's Star X
• Meikyuu Forest X
• Seven Sins Gods (As some pointed out, the Seven Sins aren't really -that-. You need gods that represent suffering, extreme traits to the point of harm and that kind of thing)
• Fashions (Not sure what this is asking about. Fashion about of whom?)
• The Old Lands X
• The God's Edge (Again, I think this shouldn't be an ability limited to one legendary sword)
  • Hyathern and the school of the God's edge
• Beast-folk X
• Tims and the Bestial rings X

edited 23rd Jan '12 12:34:04 PM by God_of_Awesome

Yes, you can vote for your own ideas now. And yes, you must do it on a case-by-case basis not "Everything except". And you must vote "Yes" or "No"- I can't tell what you mean by "X".

edited 23rd Jan '12 12:22:28 PM by Sijo

Clarified it.

Awesome: I'm not sure what to call them, but it would be nice to avoid copyright issues.

Same reason we can't use hobbits. That shit's trademarked, yo.

As far as martial artists being able to mess with spells, I like the concept, but we need a reason. Get on it, soldier

I've recovered from my bout of creative sterility and will post something big in a bit.

They're Dedicated and have learned how to control their chi.

How about Eldar? That copy righted?

edited 23rd Jan '12 1:18:20 PM by God_of_Awesome

I'm not sure how the concept of chi fits in with established principles of magic. We'vegottimake it not seem like a hand wave. Also, I'd personally prefer if we didn't mystify Eastern. . . Well, anything, but especially not martial arts- I'm really hoping that wasn't the case, but use of the term chi usually means Magical Asian Kung Fu Wizardry.

I think Eldar is trademark of Warhammer.

edited 23rd Jan '12 1:24:55 PM by Exelixi

Eldewar -ele from element split into dwar from Dwarf.

Fucking brilliant

Ex, are you going to re-vote as well? I need to know so I can make the *final* tally and then the update.

Also, I think we should split "Races" and "Creatures" by their being "Sentient" and "Nonsentient", respectively. Whether they make good PC races or not shouldn't be our concern since we are trying to make this setting non-system specific, and what would be acceptable in say, Exalted, wouldn't be in many other Fantasy rpgs. It would be up to the individual GMs if they wanted to allow, say, Axolotl to be player characters.

edited 23rd Jan '12 5:17:13 PM by Sijo

Yeah, I'll revote.

Yes to: Abyssal Gods, Abominations, Exitus, Traveler's Star, Old Lands, Beast Folk, Tim and the Bestial Rings.

GOA:I never said it was limited to just that sword, just that sword was one of the first to have such an ability.

Allrighty then. The final tally is now as follows:

• Abyssal gods - 2
• Servitors - 0
• Elemental gnomes - 2
• Abominations - 3
• Exitus, God of Vengeance- 4
  • Exitus'Manifestation- 2
• The Traveler's Star - 4
• Meikyuu Forest - 2
• (Seven Sins gods)- 1
• fashions - 2
• The Old Lands - 4
• The God's Edge -2
  • Hyathern and the school of the God's edge - 2
• Beast-folk - 4
• Tims and the Bestial rings -4

Keep in mind everyone that just because something didn't make it this time doesn't mean it cannot be reworked and submitted again later.

As usual please let me know if I got something wrong.

I'll do the actual update tomorrow.

edited 23rd Jan '12 6:09:58 PM by Sijo

Ah.

So... Eldewar... I was hoping to use an already existing name, TBH. But maybe I'll make do with what I have.

Duegar? Elduegar? That 'Eladrin' is apparently not up for grabs sucks.

You could use Dvergar/Duergar, as they were the counterparts to Alfar (elfs) in the myths.

Shifting Totems

In the last days before mortalkind took it shold upon the world, the shapes of animals were not fixed as they are now. Each spirit had its own name, and eventually, all developed a favoured shape. Many began staying in their prefered shapes, which would later be named after them, so long that they started to forget that they could change. A powerful fairy whose name never passed through the lips of mortals took notice of this, and he grew afraid- the ephemeral beauty of the animal spirits fascinated him, and the thought of them losing their fluid forms terrified him. Through a great working of magic, he took a tiny piece of the essence of each animal and a piece of their bodies that acted as a symbol of the power of each form, bound each sliver of soul to a rune, and inscribed each of those runes upon each body part. Some of the totems include Deer's antler, Bear's claw, and Falcon's feather. Each of these grants the ability to take the shape of any animal at will. For the shapeshifting peoples, this gift is rendered even more potent, for they become capable of taking any animalistic quality instantly and perfectly.

Most of these totems have been olost over tens of thousands of years, but a few still occasionally change hands, usually passing from shaman to shaman in the Orc tribes or showing up in antique shops in large cities.

An owner of one of these totems does not simply carry it around; rather, once it bonds with them, they take the characteristic of the totem; for example, the Deer's antler totem will cause its owner to sprout antlers. How drastic this effect is depends on the totem in question.

edited 24th Jan '12 6:36:35 AM by Exelixi

Ogre

The collective name of the orcs and goblins. Unless we have one already.

Duergar

Originally referred to as the 'Elduergar', one of the words the provided the root of the common 'elemental', or 'Elduergar Midgar', 'Living Elemental'. Much evidence suggests, including the lore of several cultures, that the Duergar and the Sylvan are closely related, this includes similar terminology of their life cycles, which they have as many other dominate races have such as the Ogre. Although, only the Ogre go through a stark and obvious metamorphosis, while the Sylvan and Duergar more have names for vaguely defined stages.

The Sylvan call both their old and young 'Gnome', or at least those frozen in such a state, and do so for their size. The Duergar are the same in reasoning but they do not grow and shrink, they just grow and grow and grow. The Duergar Gnome stage lasts half as long as a normal humanoid lifetime and for some Duergar breeds that is their whole life time. The Duergar are called 'Living Elementals' because their is a breed for every element, physically and metaphysically interwoven into their bodies. The Elemental, unlike the Aetherial, is purely physical and such a Duergar's mind is divorced from the nature of his body and any stereotypes of personality to a breed is born from preconceptions of the nature of that element and not any exaggerated truth.

The Duergar Gnome for that half lifetime grows from a tiny infant to half the size of an average humanoid. At this point, their physical connection to an element is purely aesthetic and they are entirely flesh, but on the metaphysical they find that magic of their element comes easier to them and their Gifted are likelier then other races to be Elemental Movers as appropriate. The stage called Duergar Dwarf comes around mid-life and is supposed to be when their element begin to physically grow from their bodies, replacing their flesh. At this point they are old, hence the stereotype of the beard dwarf, and sterile, hence the stereotype of the grumpy dwarf. This stage tends to last for another half a life time at which point most Duergar die, hence the stereotype of the short dwarf as their growth often goes from half to equal size of an average humanoid.

The Duergar Giant is when the element overwhelm the flesh and the Duergar is more of a skin shell holding within it its element. This stage can last a life time, although a Duergar likely to die at any point in it, and usually they grow to twice the height of an average humanoid. The final stage is the Duergar Titan when flesh is gone and all that is left is a facsimile of a humanoid with elemental flesh, held together by undying will of the Duergar spirit. At this point, death is certain but its date is not, the titan will keep growing and keep living as long as they can keep it together and by this point they've been doing it for so long they can last several lifetimes or more. The death of a titan is heralded by them losing their humanoid shape but even then a stubborn Duergar can hold unto life even as amorphous blob, although hardly do so sane.

The Duergar Loci, Genius Loci, are titans that lost their shape but refuse to die. These individuals are so remarkable as to be considered landmarks, literally. Their is Ottovin's Pyre, a Flame Duergar Loci who is now a forest fire who has burned for fifty years as he tries futilely to regain his shape, Mt. Jia a Stone Duergar, Lake Wakanani, Igel's Glacier, Zorm Forest, each name for the individual that compromises them.