HSQ: N. Carolina Forced Sterilization

What? That's called abortion, not sterilisation.

And giving birth to a child doesn't obligate you to raise them. At any rate: if you are a basically rational human being, you decide that shit for yourself. You do not get a life-changing judgment from on high about what experts deem is better for you.

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It's a similar problem that comes up with free speech vs. hate speech. "Bad" is subjective, so if you start sterilizing people who carry a certain trait it makes it too easy to justify sterilizing people for others.

Not to mention that genetics do not work that way.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?

"Because many rape victims are traumatized and I don't really think that they would be very good parents. Simply because of how awful rape is."

Let's see, who would I rather not let procreate: someone who had the misfortune of having sex forced upon them, or someone who doesn't understand the first thing about human psychology or trauma?

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

How about neither, until actual, non-pre-crime abuse or neglect take place?

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Well it's not like I'm gonna going to procreate anyways. So you have no worries.

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I'm not pro forced sterilization. I'm just making a point that trauma is a much less harmful, and much more temporary quality for a parent to have than ignorance and prejudice.

edited 7th Nov '11 11:45:46 AM by kashchei

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

Less permanent, you mean. All right, point taken.

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Yup, thanks for the catch.

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

Why would anyone think forced sterilization is okay? Why? What if they want to have kids at some point? What if it causes medical problems that they're not aware of? Are the forums full of robots or something, good God!

Pink chainsaw, have you considered even for a second that rape victims might, in later years, find themselves in loving, healthy relationships, get over the trauma entirely, and want kids? Sterilisation denies them that because of one incident in their lives. Not to downplay anything, but living your whole life by one attack is to be avoided if possible, and many victims would rather move on when they can. I know plenty so know this to be true.

My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.

There are, in any case, many other things that have the capacity to traumatize a person. War, psychological abuse, illness, bereavement all count. Very few people survive life unscathed. On the other hand, if we were to sterilize everyone who has been exposed to something horrific, that could certainly solve our overpopulation problem...

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1

Wow, I didn't know rape was a genetic disease.

Actually, now I want to depart from that quote a little.

Saying the posters who think forcing sterilization on a rape victim are like robots is an insult to robots. Robots may be unfeeling but they aren't CRUEL.

I mean, seriously, how could anyone with any sense of empathy think that's a good idea?

I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1

The theory was that the only women who get raped are naturally loose women who invite rape upon themselves by acting and dressing like they want it. The seventies was kind of a messed up time in a lot of ways.

Didn't know promiscuity was a genetic disease, either.

edited 7th Nov '11 10:29:10 PM by tropetown

It used to be that a lot of sexual-related behaviors were considered a mental illness. Loose women, homosexuals, masturbation - all of these could earn you a lobotomy.

By the standards of era those were disorders.

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I wouldn't endorse forced sterilization, but I could understand it in some cases; like if they had a mental disorder that would make them a seriously bad parent. But it's better to convince them they shouldn't have kids.

Rape victims should not be told they can't have kids. Being raped does not make a person incapable of being a good parent. The story linked to is just horrifying.

Yes, if anything we should sterilize rapists instead.

I have an uncle who is schizo, I don't think he would actually be allowed to keep any child he created, either the mum or the system would take care of the child.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?

It depends greatly on the mental illness. Some of them, such as schitzophrenia*

^{which I probably just spelled wrong}

has a strong genetic component and is quite common to find running through a family line at varying degrees of severity. My half-sister inherited some of those traits from her mom, who had a very severe case.

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There is some evidence that being a rapist might have genetic components, but I'm not up on the research and pretty sure it's quite off-topic.

I can understand the justification for wanting to impose sterilization on people with clearly inheritable genetic diseases. The biggest problem with that, at least in the US, is that we're the so-called Land of the Free, and aren't supposed to be infringing on the free will of other people. Another big problem there is who gets to decide what a genetic disorder worthy of sterilization is - take cystic fibrosis as an example. What if you're just a carrier, rather than having the disease? Do we sterilize you? Maybe tell you the only way you can have kids is if you IVF them to pre-screen for "purity"?

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

My biggest worry about mental disorders isn't that they might pass them on - although that is a worry - more that the parent may be incapable of caring for a child. And, if the child was taken away because the parent was deemed a potential threat to it, I imagine that would be more traumatic than just being told from the outset, "No, don't have kids". But like I said, forced sterilization isn't the way to go.

edited 8th Nov '11 8:51:18 AM by ArlaGrey