Follow TV Tropes

Following

Koch supported study supports climate change

Go To

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#1: Oct 24th 2011 at 6:19:09 PM

[1] I guess you don't get what you pay for anymore.

Marshalled by an astrophysicist, Richard Muller, this group, which calls itself the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature, is notable in several ways. When embarking on the project 18 months ago, its members (including Saul Perlmutter, who won the Nobel prize for physics this month for his work on dark energy) were mostly new to climate science. And Dr Muller, for one, was mildly sceptical of its findings. This was partly, he says, because of “climategate”: the 2009 revelation of e-mails from scientists at CRU which suggested they had sometimes taken steps to disguise their adjustments of inconvenient palaeo-data. With this reputation, the Berkeley Earth team found it unusually easy to attract sponsors, including a donation of $150,000 from the Koch Foundation.

Yet Berkeley Earth’s results, as described in four papers currently undergoing peer review, but which were nonetheless released on October 20th, offer strong support to the existing temperature compilations. The group estimates that over the past 50 years the land surface warmed by 0.911°C: a mere 2% less than NOAA’s estimate. That is despite its use of a novel methodology—designed, at least in part, to address the concerns of what Dr Muller terms “legitimate sceptics”.

Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's Play
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#2: Oct 24th 2011 at 6:21:10 PM

Well, the scientific method had to bite the deniers in the ass at some point.

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#3: Oct 24th 2011 at 6:21:53 PM

I guess that failed pretty hard.

Koch Bros being stupid again. Yay.

USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
I changed accounts.
Rottweiler Dog and Pony Show from Portland, Oregon Since: Dec, 2009
Dog and Pony Show
#6: Oct 24th 2011 at 6:26:54 PM

Someone want to explain who these "Koch" bad guys are?

“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. Bernard
USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
I changed accounts.
#7: Oct 24th 2011 at 6:32:26 PM

Uber-rich dudes who fund basically anything vaguely Republican, and whose businesses do many illegal and unethical things, apparently, if their indictment by the government is any indicator. Their level of evilness varies based on whether you're talking to a liberal or conservative. I personally don't know much about them, but...

I am now known as Flyboy.
JHM Apparition in the Woods from Niemandswasser Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
Apparition in the Woods
#8: Oct 24th 2011 at 6:42:07 PM

There are four of them, two of which (Charles and David) are the more notorious. The latter ran for Vice-President on the 1980 Libertarian Party ticket, advocating to abolish Social Security, welfare, the Federal Reserve, minimum wage, corporate taxes, agriculture subsidies and about half of the federal agencies currently in existence.

Including the EPA.

The irony is delicious.

I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.
Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#9: Oct 25th 2011 at 7:48:27 AM

As much as I'd like to believe this will do something to shut climate change deniers up, they'll just go 'well, sure it's HAPPENING, but it's natural and we can't do anything about it!' and keep on fighting to deregulate companies that dump toxins into the world without a care. If science were enough, science would have had its victory by now. This headline does make a great banner to wave, though.

And wow, that running platform is just cartoonishly villainous. It makes Captain Planet's Looten Plunder and Hoggish Greedly seem like realistic portrayals. Just run on a platform of 'I will dismantle anything that gets in the way of raping the earth and the wallets of its inhabitants!' I love that.

edited 25th Oct '11 7:49:10 AM by Karkadinn

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
secretist Maria Holic from Ame no Kisaki Since: Feb, 2010
#10: Oct 25th 2011 at 7:49:57 AM

[up][up]He did get almost a million votes along with Ed Clark.

TU NE CEDE MALIS CLASS OF 1971
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#11: Oct 25th 2011 at 7:59:57 AM

In a country this size you could get a million people to vote for Mickey Mouse. Or The Joker.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
secretist Maria Holic from Ame no Kisaki Since: Feb, 2010
#12: Oct 25th 2011 at 8:02:07 AM

1980 election Actually, only either Greens or Libertarians as well as Nader or Perot have had the ability to get a million or more votes for President.

  • Ronald Wilson Reagan Republican California 43,903,230 50.71% 489 George Herbert Walker Bush Texas 489
  • James Earl Carter, Jr. Democratic Georgia 35,480,115 40.98% 49 Walter Frederick Mondale Minnesota 49
  • John Bayard Anderson Independent Illinois 5,719,850 6.61% 0 Patrick Joseph Lucey Wisconsin 0
  • Ed Clark Libertarian California 921,128 1.06% 0 David H. Koch Kansas 0
  • Barry Commoner Citizens Missouri 233,052 0.27% 0 La Donna Harris Oklahoma 0
  • John Rarick American Independent Louisiana 40,906 0.05% 0 Eileen Shearer California 0
  • Ellen Mc Cormack Right to Life New York 32,320 0.04% 0 Carroll Driscoll 0
  • Other 252,303 0.29% — Other —
  • Total 86,574,904 100% 538 538
  • Needed to win 270 270

edited 25th Oct '11 8:05:40 AM by secretist

TU NE CEDE MALIS CLASS OF 1971
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#14: Oct 25th 2011 at 9:02:22 AM

Oh, he was running as VP on the Libertarian ticket? That makes more sense; they always get a smattering of votes.

How "handing the country to our Corporate Overlords" counts as Libertarian, I don't really know, but hey, as long as people vote for you...

On-topic, this is unlikely to affect serious denialists, but it might help convince some of the doubters. Good enough for me. I just kind of wish we could find some way to take the Kochs down a few pegs, maybe show them what life is like for the ordinary people in the trenches.

edited 25th Oct '11 9:04:03 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
secretist Maria Holic from Ame no Kisaki Since: Feb, 2010
#15: Oct 25th 2011 at 9:04:33 AM

[up]All types of people try to get nominated for LP President candidate even Progressive like Robert Milnes here.

TU NE CEDE MALIS CLASS OF 1971
Add Post

Total posts: 15
Top