Ah alright,I sort of figured something sounded off. Someone who is better describing it than I am, can make a magical themed library trope much distinct anyway and how it actually occurs. Library Of Everything for The Library Of Babel is good. It looks like I got those two mixed up somehow.
edited 12th Jan '12 5:36:37 AM by Oreochan
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Ok. I do think Library Of Everything might be better than any title that includes books. The same trope happens with scrolls, stone tablets, futuristic book analogues. Book is the most common iteration, and the most recognizable one, but not the only one. Never mind that a lot of them store other media besides books even when books are the primary focus.
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It might also include something like Chronoscopes or time viewers as well in sci-fi, If I read and watch enough and know what I am talking about and not sprouting nonsense.
I got Magic Themed Library and The Library Of Babel mixed up associations somehow , I guess I got some of that from the current description that claims something about Libraries Of Everything are quiet which they probably aren't given their appeal in sci-fi, them being really quiet isn't likely. Besides, the description is a mess right now and shouldn't be taken from anyway. Really I should have that they are sacred because of the forbidden spells, artifacts the library is pretty arcane and dangerous like you said and can easily fall into the wrong hands.
What would a better descriptive name for the possible split? Sacred Arcane Library or something?
edited 12th Jan '12 7:05:20 AM by Oreochan
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
Eh, I think just this trope and Magic Libary are fine. We don't want to split things too fine after all.
edited 12th Jan '12 7:44:58 AM by shimaspawn
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Ok, we can go with that Magical Library then. It's simple and easy to remember and is better than what I had.
edited 12th Jan '12 8:03:41 AM by Oreochan
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Magical Library mirrors Magical Database rather well.
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That's a good reason to avoid it as the two tropes have nothing in common. We're talking about splitting a library of magical books from a library that has any possible tome in existence. Magical Database is for highly improbably crime solving databases. Not exactly what we're looking for for either trope.
edited 12th Jan '12 8:12:09 AM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
I confused Magical Database for using actual magic in earlier posts and being completely different than what it is, so I need to go read that page more. So, what could possible names for Magical Library be instead?
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Is it worth it to have page action crowner for this or should we just go with a single proposition one that says something like "Split The Library Of Babel into a Library Of Everything trope and a Magical Library one."
I think a page action crowner with split and just rename options would make sense, but I hear that those types of crowner are kind of discouraged these days, so I am not sure.
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Magical Database needs it's own rename based on just a brief run through of wiks. I'll add it to my todo list.
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I kind of prefer Mystic Library or Arcane Library
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Could it be possible once we split Magical Library and Library Of Everything, and we can turn The Library Of Babel into a actual page about the short story? Would that work?
edited 12th Jan '12 10:00:58 AM by Oreochan
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More likely a disambiguation.
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A disambiguation would work. Besides Jorge Luis Borges page already has a short mention of it and lists tropes along with his other work like Micah said earlier, so an actual page for it may not be needed. Mystical Library or Arcane Library works well I guess. Now, that I understand the trope better now, I just might try getting a YKTTW up for it once I'm finished with the one I'm making inspired by the Bob Haircut TRS.
edited 1st Mar '12 8:39:39 PM by Oreochan
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
So, are we still working this? I think I can make a sandbox for revised description if it needs it. Do we have enough options to do with this to make a crowner?
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Does "Explicitly magical" include science fiction?
Not generally, no. Science Fantasy sure, but not just nonmagical sci-fi. There are very few things labelled magic in sci-fi.
edited 9th Feb '12 10:10:59 PM by shimaspawn
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So according the the option the crowner, they'll be included under "libraries that contain all the knowledge in the world"?
If they actually count as the trope.
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Like, what if you have a tablet-computer-thing that you can use to call up any information in the universe, using science? What trope is that?
edited 9th Feb '12 10:57:52 PM by abk0100
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Crown Description:
Previous crowner
showed consensus support for making "library of everything" and "magical library" tropes. This crowner is for voting on the name of the "library of everything" trope which will take on the concept of a library that contains every work in existence.
Err, I don't think that you have that quite the right way around. The Library Of Everything in sci-fi works or works where it's not explicitly magical tends to be quite well publicized. Often it's a big tourist destination.
Explicitly magical libraries tend to be rather secret even in works where magic is an open force. This is likely because arcane knowledge is dangerous and powerful and thus people tend to be more paranoid about it falling into the hands of others. The only time they're not is if they have a university or a school attached to them.
edited 12th Jan '12 5:05:40 AM by shimaspawn
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