Gentleman Troper!
I think it's clearly a plot trope, where a story spends a long time introducing character relations and character traits that turn out to be completely irrelevant, generally because everybody ends up dying anyway. The description may need tweaking, and I'm not convinced "jerks" is the best word to use.
Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
This can do with a little clarification. Restrict this to cases where the characters will mostly die, where the audience knows they will die and where the attempts at character development resultantly add up to nothing.
Oh, and we can remove Titanic and Batman Begins from the example list.
Yes, I was thinking it was a plot trope as well, mostly. The description is all about how of course it's going to fail and we're never going to care about these flat characters, we just want to see them die. I don't think that makes for a good description and it's reflected in at least some of the examples on the page.
If it's not an audience reaction, there's no need for it to talk about how they're inherently annoying or anything.
And yeah, Twenty Minutes with Jerks has issues as a title since the characters generally aren't jerks. At worst, they're boring. Twenty Minutes Until The Action or something would be clearer.
edited 16th Oct '11 11:52:39 AM by Arha
The title is awful. I thought it was a type of half hour TV show. (Since the actual length of media in those is about twenty minutes once ads are gone.) I think it is tropable, but it needs a lot of work.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Page action crowner with
- Rename
- Clean up description to be less negative and more objective
- Make into YMMV (Not that I'd vote for it, just to include it for purposes of discussion)
- Clean up negative examples
- Do nothing
Am I missing anything?
edited 17th Oct '11 9:46:25 AM by Arha
Whatever of Breath
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Reworking description into an objective trope should be an option. I guess that's included in "Clean up description", but it could be said more clearly.
I cleaned up the examples a little.
Perpetually Confused
Wow the definition is terrible. And the title. Seriously, did this even go to YKTTW? Did whoever write this ever read Tropes Are Not Bad?
Whatever of Breath
I don't think we had the Tropes Are Not Bad page back then ... But, yes, this went through YKTTW. Can't find the thread, though - the link from the discussion page takes you to a YKTTW post asking where the real thread for this trope went.
Crowner stable in favor of cleanup, rewrite and rename. All other examples in the negative.
Alt names time.
Called. Crowners switched.
Bumping for more votes. Crowner is stable, but it could really use more.
Wow, there's zero discussion of names in the thread. All the suggestions and up/down is going on in the crowner. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing, but it's interesting.
Whatever of Breath
I think they meant that nothing was, in fact, going on in the crowner, and tried to do something about that. If the tread drops off the first page (or even the first screen), fewer votes will come in too.
edited 3rd Nov '11 5:51:34 PM by Antheia
Still, there are two suggestions with a clear direction the people voicing their opinion (such as they are) are going on them, and it's all in the crowner.
Uh huh. No one appears to have any particular issue with or love for the names given, so it's being taken care of quietly. I think we'll say it's stable tomorrow then if there are no major upsets. It's been open for a week.
Calling and locked the crowner, go ahead with the rename
Page moved, description rewritten. Wicks need to be moved and examples rewritten as appropriate.
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Discussion has been moved. Thanks for the Holler and you did it exactly right.![[awesome]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/minis/award_star_gold_3.png "[awesome]"){kind=small}
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Have the wicks been moved? If not, this thread stays open. A name change isn't done until all the work of moving it has been done. That's what the asterisk means — that there's still work to be done.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
181 wicks, will get started on them later.
Okay Guy
I'll help you on that.
Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian
Okay Guy
Hmm...first example I come across is A Christmas Carol.
That's not a good sign.
Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian
This is written to sound like an audience reaction trope. Either it is one, or it's a really negative sounding way of saying 'Any horror/thriller/whatever movie is going to have you get to know the cast before cool stuff starts.' Either way, the description seems to invite complaining.