If it makes you feel any better, politics are stupid everywhere.
How does that interfere with the production of life? There's no other person anyways.
edited 10th Oct '11 10:06:41 AM by Balmung
scratching at .8, just hopin'
Y'know, this is a fine opportunity to teach us non Filipino tropers some insults and profanities in Tagalog. I don't know how to say WTF in response to this story and it makes me feel like such a rube.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Jackass Detector
My mother didn't have the foresight to teach me any curse words, I'm afraid to say. Seriously, this is the kind of shit I'd say to poke fun at the "potential for life" argument. I wasn't aware there were people who actually thought like that.
edited 10th Oct '11 10:20:06 AM by KitsuneInferno
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt." - Some guy with a snazzy hat.
DUMB
Er, the endemic corruption hadn't already taught you this?
[1] This facsimile operated in part by synAC.
Karkadinn
Hm. Isn't that belief pretty much confined to Catholicism in the modern day world?
(Clicks link.)
...yep, we get to blame this one on the Catholics. :D And I say that with relief, because most of the time, I'm used to it being my guys (Protestants) screwing things up.
I don't see this one as being a battle they can win, anyway. It's pretty much a dead issue - people may still argue over whether you SHOULD masturbate or not, but implementing laws about it? That's not gonna get much popular support.
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Jackass Detector
It shall be decreed that masturbation should only be performed via the "stranger" method.
edited 10th Oct '11 10:24:51 AM by KitsuneInferno
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt." - Some guy with a snazzy hat.
Sneering Imperialist
Heh, his middle name is "Ponce".
Anyway, I would have thought that the Philippines has bigger problems than hand-wringing over dead sperm. I also find it hard to believe that the senator in question has never had a wank.
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.
Pro-Freedom Fanatic
He must be a moron. That's not garden variety stupid... That's actually retarded.
He's unaware that sperm dies and is reabsorbed for the body all the time, and that women masturbating has no effect on the egg whatsoever? Didn't he pass basic human biology in high school?
edited 10th Oct '11 5:07:17 PM by SavageHeathen
You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it.
LOVE WINS
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Would that mean that all men are committing abortion as we speak?
Hence why I am ashamed. The topic I found this in declared everybody on that board murderers.
@Radical Taoist: The most common one and widely used is Puta.
- ina = mother
- putangina = puta ng ina = mother fucker
There are other ones like putik = mud; bwesit = damn; tangina = a shortened version of putangina. Note we sometimes exchange "i" with "e" or "u" with "o" to twist and extend the words a little bit more.
WTF would translate into "Anong Puta—" with ano = what. But in this case, it won't be an actual profanity unlike WTF and more like an actual question.
edited 10th Oct '11 5:10:26 PM by Izaak
scratching at .8, just hopin'
Thank you Izaak. Now I can respond properly: ANP??
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
He is not fucking serious.
Not even the most retarded of our United States Politicians would hang on to a statement like that and not edit or revoke it to not sound quite so...stupid.
Sign on for this After The End Fantasy RP.
You forgot Puneta, which means, IIRC, "wanker" - apropos for the topic.
Anyway, I think that's a bit of a mischaracterization at first glance - sure, we Catholics believe it's a sin, but it's not the same thing as an abortion - like cheating on your spouse is different from shooting them.
Of course, Enrile's got way more things to answer for... like several serious attempts to overthrow the government (and by overthrow, I'm not talking votes of confidence - I'm talking about tanks in the streets).
Of course, the bill this "debate" is part of will IMO likely fail - it's called either "I'm Catholic/Evangelical/Muslim and I don't think the government should be spending that much money on an immoral program" or "I don't care either way, but I'd like to be reelected, thank you very much".
edited 16th Oct '11 8:17:59 PM by Cojuanco
Ay, putangina mo.
I just felt my IQ drop about three hundred points from that dreck.
I changed accounts.
Christ almighty my brain just lost half its capacity absorbing the raw idiocy of this.
Also:
Happy New Year!
forgiven if i'm wrong but i'm fairly surly Enrile viewer's blatantly contradicted the traditional catholic theological view of conception as the start of human life.
The man is entitled to his views but these of statements could easily be interrupted as blasphemy by the Philippine church.
hashtagsarestupid
Yeah. Then again, we are talking about someone who's the definition of knee-jerk actor. I mean, his solution for almost every problem seems to involve a group of officers storming Malacanan. Or at least it seemed so for a while. He should be in jail, not the Senate.
Happy New Year!
It would be pretty ironic if a reactionary regressive regime arrested him for his reactionary regressive comments.
hashtagsarestupid
Is that cake frosting?
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But the reasons for that are most definitely not "masturbation is abortion", that's nonsense. Although, it must be said, I did not find in the article any quote in which Sen. Enrile said that: rather, he said
edited 18th Oct '11 4:15:54 AM by Carciofus
But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
Is masturbation a venial or mortal sin in the eyes of the Church?
Is that cake frosting?
This said, for an act to be a mortal sin it must satisfy three requirements:
- Grave matter;
- Full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense;
- Deliberate an complete consent.
Now, obviously, whether the second and third conditions are satisfied will change a lot according to circumstances. Just to make an extreme example, a teenager who just about knows what masturbation is, wakes up horny and ends up masturbating does not fulfill either.
As for the first, "grave matter" is defined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church as follows:
And, in the section of the Ten Commandments, in the comments to "you shall not commit adultery" it says:
To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety, or other psychological or social factors that lessen or even extenuate moral culpability.
edited 18th Oct '11 5:44:47 AM by Carciofus
But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
I have always thought we should make the Philipenes a honorary member of Latin America.
After all they where a Spaniard colony, thus a country with a huge unfufilled potential, that had a retarded ultra-conservative right, huge disparities of wealth, truck loads of corruption, and a mindlessly silly political system.
Reminds me of home.
My hearth goes out to u OP.
Also PUTA= Whore in Spanish
edited 18th Oct '11 5:50:08 AM by Baff
I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
Happy New Year!
I've heard that there's in a big trade between Latin countries and the Philippines in cheesy soap operas so it makes sense.
hashtagsarestupid
There are some Latin Soap Operas (and remember, everything made for television in certain Parts of latin america are labeled as Soap operas, even game shows in Argentina, because we dont call them Sopa operas but "visualised novels" tele novelas)that are actually quite good.
At least the old ones. Amongs my favourites "Ugly Betty" which is Colombian "Rich People Also Cry " which is Mexican and last but not least "Cafe" which is Brazilian.
edited 18th Oct '11 5:59:59 AM by Baff
I will always cherish the chance of a new beggining.
As a Filipino I am official ashamed of my country. *hides face behind hands*
Masturbation is Abortion says Sen. Enrile